re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*

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Bruce's knee. I just didn't buy that he went from near-cripple to Batman simply due to a knee brace. They could've used something else to point out that Bruce wasn't in tip-top shape.

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So thats not really a big issue then I guess? I mean there are plenty of gadgets that Batman uses that are much more ridiculous imo. I love the last two movies and have defended this one like crazy in this thread, but, I absolutely hate the batmotorcycle or whatever its called. The rotating tires, it flipping up a wall in TDK and you being able to tell its actually going super slow and not flying by people. Gets on my nerves.

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The ending obviously - it was disappointing to me because of the implausibility (deus ex machina).

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Which part did you think was a dues ex machina? Him surviving the explosion or finding out Miranda was Talia?

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Talia al ghul's overwrought death scene. I mean right at the moment she expires

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I'll agree with this. It's actually comical.

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Yeah that was bad. But jesus she is fine.

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The part that frustrated me the most in TDKR was the nuclear bomb explosion. So you're telling me that a 12 megaton atom bomb with a 6 mile blast radius explodes within view of the shoreline, but there was no nuclear fallout? No radiation to Gotham? That explosion would have also created a massive tsunami that would have wiped out Gotham.

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I see where youre coming from and why that would frustrate you (I charge $40 per session) but I just take it as yeah this is supposed to be the realistic take on Batman but dang you got to view some of it as just being a movie. A lot of it will be pretty ridiculous. This had a few that were, but not as much as any other superhero movie out there.

I hated that dude; even after he became honorable. I wanted him to die as soon as possible to get him off the screen I was looking at.

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Which part did you think was a dues ex machina? Him surviving the explosion

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surviving the explosion

there wasn't even time for the batcopter to get 6 miles away from the city when it didn't even take off (dragging a not so aerodynamically helpful dead weight) until less than 90 seconds before it was going to blow up. Someone will probably come in and argue there was more time than that and a plane could possibly get up to speed but the movie showed it struggling to take off bumping along buildings and moving at a not so very rapid speed early on. I know people who liked the ending will look for the ways to make this work and fine for them I guess if they want to..

Honestly the bigger reason all of that bothered me is not just that the batcopter wouldn't have gotten that far that fast, or that the explosion would have been more devastating than portrayed, or that batman wouldn't have likely survived if he was just barely outside the zone of annihilation, but mostly just that I felt like the ending was a cop out when the stronger first ending was right there to choose instead.

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This movie was so fricking epicly stupid.

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Until the last 15 minutes, I thought I was seeing the first Batman-less Batman movie. It was a terrorism movie, with a cheesy WWF guy as the head terrorist. Couldn't understand a thing he said until his speech on the steps of city hall halfway through the movie.

The only mildly interesting character was Catwoman. Christian Bale is unconvincing as Bruce Wayne--he looks like a confused runway model most of the time. The unexplained change to the raspy voice when he dons the cowl is just silly. Plot holes: did the prison leave the bionic knee brace on him while he was there for months? Did his knee just miraculously grow back all the missing cartilage? So Batman can get shanked in the kidney and the knife twisted during a 7 minute speech by the villain but doesn't have internal bleeding enough to interfere with walking around and piloting the Bat?

Christopher Nolan was also responsible for that POS movie "Inception". Figures. You people who think this movie was "epic" need a reality check.

As was mentioned earlier in the thread, I think a lot of the aches and pains were psychological, or exacerbated by Wayne's depressed state. At the beginning of the film, Batman is effectively dead.

We see Alfred telling Wayne that he's afraid that Wayne wants to fail. We see Bane and the doctor telling Wayne that he no longer fears death. He's become insulated against it.

In Begins, fear was a prominent theme in the LoS, and making yourself vulnerable to it, and then employing it as an agent in your own tasks was critical. Bruce feared bats for years, but employed that vulnerability as an engine of restoration and light.

When the doctor tells him to make the climb without the rope, the insulation Wayne has against fear degrades, and he's exposed directly to his most imminent fear - dying in the pit. He learned to make himself vulnerable to that fear again, and once he's on the platform about to jump, he's startled by a swirl of bats above him, symbolizing a resurrection or rebirth of Batman - similar to how the bats in the cave in Begins symbolized the original birth of Batman.

So, the aches and pains in the beginning, and the fact that he got initially destroyed by Bane, to me, occurred because his soul was lost, not because of any physical inferiority. There's only one fight between Batman and Bane in the film, and Batman triumphed.

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The shape of batman's knees isn't really anything I'd consider something worth continually harping over.

Nolan seems to be a victim of the realism he created, because he established a bit of realism in this bat universe people have to pick on minor shite like this.

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It's a compliment to the quality of his trilogy that people harp on little things

Can you imagine trying to find the same problems with any of marvel's movies granted I know you can't because Nolan created this universe of "real world" superhero

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So Batman can get shanked in the kidney and the knife twisted during a 7 minute speech by the villain but doesn't have internal bleeding enough to interfere with walking around and piloting the Bat?

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He got shot at point blank range in his "lighter" armor in TDK, yet was apparently able to sprint and leap well enough to save Gordon's child, evade an army of dogs, and ride away on the bat bike.