re: Obtuse Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice TD review thread (SPOILERS p5+)

Just got out, that was pretty fricking bad

and I am not a comic book guy. The last time I purchased or read a comic was the late 80's. I still thouroughly enjoy the movies, feature length cartoons and all the animated series. I do have some framework of how things Marvel and DC are supposed to be, but have no predisposition as to how loyal the movies are to the source material, I just want to be entertained.

and I really wasnt entertained very much

You cant understate how bad this first part was edited together. We've all seen stories flip between present/past or present/future utilizing good film editing techniques that made it easy to follow and not get lost. They failed miserably at this, trying to simultaneously flip congruent storylines back and forth between two protagonists. It was so disjointed and clunky, I felt like a tennis ball trapped in a dryer.

The dream sequences were so unnecessary, I think they were only there because the studio or director just wanted visual filler. And who in the frick was the half man-half red robot guy trapped in the vortex? It completely distracted me from following the next series of unconnected events.

And Luthor....geesh. I know that performance was such a detraction from the lore and source material, but even then I could've accepted this wacky criminal guy if I had one fricking clue what his motivation was. Even though the words came out his garbled mouth, I still didnt believe or truly understand what in the frick Luthor was trying to accomplish. It made no sense

Holly Hunter was......not good, once again, terrible dialogue and she did nothing to carry it through.

the whole Martha thing and the green spear was so contrived and really a manifestation of piss poor dialogue, shame on whomever wrote that. There were about 100 other ways to convey that sequence of events, and you chose the stupidest dialogue ever to get from A to B

I thought it succeeded in a few things. I really felt Bruce's sense of "power left unchecked" is a huge problem for him. That portrayed well. I also thought there were a few scenes that really did a good job of showing how "small" Superman could feel at times compared to the rest of the world.

And maybe I didnt realize this, but are Gotham and Metropolis supposed to be separated by a creek? I was unaware that the two were like DFW

Towards the end, I guess the action and fight sequences were pretty good overall...Just dont know what the frick was going on the first hour and half before we got there. Maybe this was by design, because this movie needs like 10 re-watches just to make the first 2/3rds of the movie make any sense.

He just really dislikes superman is all I can figure. Towards the end though I wonder if darkseid is pulling his strings?

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And maybe I didnt realize this, but are Gotham and Metropolis supposed to be separated by a creek? I was unaware that the two were like DFW

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They are too close. Why are they so close?

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And maybe I didnt realize this, but are Gotham and Metropolis supposed to be separated by a creek? I was unaware that the two were like DFW

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They are too close. Why are they so close?

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That's something from DC's Bronze Age, Metropolis and Gotham separated by a bridge.

Some creators thought of Gotham and Metropolis as New York City divided in two.

The two cities being next to each other isn't a Snyder thing, it's something from DC's past.

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That's something from DC's Bronze Age, Metropolis and Gotham separated by a bridge.

Some creators thought of Gotham and Metropolis as New York City divided in two.

The two cities being next to each other isn't a Snyder thing, it's something from DC's past.

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Yeah, it's clearly a Nolan thing, but I really like what he did there and wish they'd continue with that direction going forward.

They are so close it kind of makes Batman look like a dick for not protecting Metropolis from crime as well. In his defense, I'm sure there is a toll bridge in between and that would get expensive.

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DFW is separated by Arlington. They're more like San Francisco and Oakland.

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I live here, and I'd go far to say there is really no separation between them. It's just a massive city with different neighborhoods.

I wasn't a big fan of Jessie Eisenberg as Luthor. He seemed like an annoying little twerp. That is not the way I would expect a major Superman villian to be portrayed. I'm down to give him another shot in the Justice League movie, but he has to act more like Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor.

Ben Affleck was a solid Batman. Much better than I had anticipated. Happy he kicked Superman's arse.

Question. Superman is not dead. I saw the dirt rise at the end of the movie and he is in Justice League. But, how does that happen? Or did I miss something in the movie?

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Question. Superman is not dead. I saw the dirt rise at the end of the movie and he is in Justice League. But, how does that happen? Or did I miss something in the movie?

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In the comics we had a convoluted extended series that included Superman in a Kryptonian regeneration matrix. They didn't do that in this film, but after they showed him as a corpse in space who regenerated from the sun, my guess is that this movie superman is just very unkillable.

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I loved it. Emotional

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I don't understand this at all. You might as well munch on cow dung and say it has a sugary taste. It's bitter shite and there's not an emotional scene in it, save for the ones that the movie directly tells you to be emotional. That's literally it. It's like someone telling me "Grave of the Fireflies" was the most joyful movie they've ever seen. It's just such the opposite of what the movie is.

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I guess I'm in the minority that liked Jesse Eisenberg's Luthor. Instead of going the mainstream business-suit attired depiction, they go with a strange psychotic mad man who still has the brains to take on an all powerful alien. I went in thinking it would be terrible, but was really shocked.

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Which he's really Mark Zuckerberg meets the Riddler. There is nothing of Luthor's actual character that is in Eisenberg's performance.