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re: *No Spoilers* House of the Dragon | S2E1 “A Son For a Son”

Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:53 am to
Posted by minimal
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:53 am to
You're right. Littlefinger was such a boy scout
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:09 am to
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You're right. Littlefinger was such a boy scout


I guess Idk if Littlefinger was less sinister than Larys or if he just had more tact. He did kill Liza Arryn but I feel like Larys kills the kid too and anyone else that had a claim to the Vale and usurps the seat.
Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:16 am to
Littlefinger indirectly started the war of five kings wouldn’t exactly says he’s less sinister
Posted by Dairy Sanders
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:33 am to
A war was going to start whether he killed Jon Arryn or not as Jon Arryn would have exposed Joffrey’s parentage.

Would love it if GRRM gave some talented writers permission to do alternate history versions of Westeros. What if Jon Arryn didn’t die? What if Bobby B was killed at the Trident? What if Dany never set sail for Westeros? What if Ned hadn’t become Hand? Bunch of great what ifs in the story.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:34 am to
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Littlefinger indirectly started the war of five kings wouldn’t exactly says he’s less sinister


Maybe less sinister was the wrong word. Littlefinger was definitely more tactful. It feels like Larys's solution to everything is to kill whoever is in the way and then make sure the person in power knows that they are complicit therefore strengthening his place next to them.
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 11:34 am
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:35 am to
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Would love it if GRRM gave some talented writers permission to do alternate history versions of Westeros. What if Jon Arryn didn’t die? What if Bobby B was killed at the Trident? What if Dany never set sail for Westeros? What if Ned hadn’t become Hand? Bunch of great what ifs in the story.


I hope this doesn't happen. I think its hard enough to get the lore and stuff right the first time without adding what if scenarios to muddy the waters. Write the history "as it was".
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:10 pm to
Larys was much more cold blooded.

Littlefinger had no lands or title so he was doing what he did to gain status. Then he got his lands and title. However, all the machinations caught up with him. He had a soft spot for Sansa and tried to do right by her at times.

Larys comes from a great House. His deformity made him inferior in that society and thus sparked his cruel streak.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:20 pm to
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He had a soft spot for Sansa and tried to do right by her at times.



ehhhh. Any 'positive' thing done for Sansa was for his own benefit as well.
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:44 pm to
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Would love it if GRRM gave some talented writers permission to do alternate history versions of Westeros. What if Jon Arryn didn’t die? What if Bobby B was killed at the Trident? What if Dany never set sail for Westeros? What if Ned hadn’t become Hand? Bunch of great what ifs in the story.

The last three seasons of GoT were basically alternate history fan-fic already. And they suffered massively for it.

There is enough actual story in the universe to explore without having to do alternatives, IMO.
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 12:45 pm
Posted by Tiger Prawn
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 1:26 pm to
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A war was going to start whether he killed Jon Arryn or not as Jon Arryn would have exposed Joffrey’s parentage.
Littlefinger wanted to start a war. Why else would he have sent an assassin to kill Bran with a Valyrian steel dagger that could be traced back to implicate the Lannisters
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 1:33 pm to
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Why else would he have sent an assassin to kill Bran with a Valyrian steel dagger that could be traced back to implicate the Lannisters


Do we know for certain that Littlefinger did this? Or that he wasn't working WITH the Lannisters?

Maybe its true and I forgot but I don't remember that act ever being proven to be him.
Posted by pbro62
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:22 pm to
There’s nudes
Posted by mxs1998
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:47 pm to
Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 4:21 pm to
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war was going to start whether he killed Jon Arryn or not as Jon Arryn would have exposed Joffrey’s parentage.

Maybe but he sure as hell speed the timeline up. Although if Aryn doesn’t die then Ned never rides south to become Robert’s hand and it might become unlikely that Sansa and especially Arya ever go to KL. Meaning the Starks would likely never start a war with the Lanisters because Ned doesn’t get beheaded nor would he confront Cersei about her bastards.

Now we still likely see a war of sorts with Renly and Stannis both taking arms against the Crown but where the Starks fall is a bit of a question but more than likely with Stannis
Posted by Dairy Sanders
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 4:52 pm to
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The last three seasons of GoT were basically alternate history fan-fic already. And they suffered massively for it. There is enough actual story in the universe to explore without having to do alternatives, IMO.


I wouldn’t want it to be Live Action series or movies or anything like that. Doing in a novella form or if they want to tell them through television then do 30-minute animated versions like Marvel does with What If.
Posted by Dairy Sanders
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 4:54 pm to
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Littlefinger wanted to start a war. Why else would he have sent an assassin to kill Bran with a Valyrian steel dagger that could be traced back to implicate the Lannisters


And one was going to start anyways as soon as Jon Arryn discovered joffrey’s parentage. Little finger just used that as an opportunity to light his own fire and the dagger and assassination attempt were fuel for the fire.
Posted by Dairy Sanders
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 4:55 pm to
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Maybe but he sure as hell speed the timeline up. Although if Aryn doesn’t die then Ned never rides south to become Robert’s hand and it might become unlikely that Sansa and especially Arya ever go to KL. Meaning the Starks would likely never start a war with the Lanisters because Ned doesn’t get beheaded nor would he confront Cersei about her bastards. Now we still likely see a war of sorts with Renly and Stannis both taking arms against the Crown but where the Starks fall is a bit of a question but more than likely with Stannis


All depends on what Jon Arryn does, who he tells, who finds out when.
Posted by skewbs
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 6:31 pm to
Jesus H Christ WTF did this thread turn into. Embarrassing.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:05 pm to
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Is Larys basically the first Master of Whisperers at this point? He has installed all of his own staff so he has spies everywhere now.


Is he trying to be the hand?
Posted by RUFshreve
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Posted on 6/18/24 at 1:25 am to
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