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re: New Trailer for The Odyssey. Update: some reviews are coming out now
Posted on 7/2/26 at 11:48 am to Jay Are
Posted on 7/2/26 at 11:48 am to Jay Are
Agree with your take about Helen being about the idea and impact of beauty, but then we have to give it an actual form in a movie. For most people, I would guess that Nyong'o and her apparent characterization from the previews is not a form that inspires the idea, impact, and myth of Helen. Also, which translations did you read?
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Posted on 7/2/26 at 12:23 pm to Jay Are
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That's called a translation. This is an epithet, which is a phrase repeated with the mention of a character's name. And several translations explain within their texts what epithets are and what such phrases mean. You're not going to find a translator or serious human who thinks a metaphorical color phrase such as white-armed is referring directly to skin color. You really think once every few pages Homer was just making sure he reminded the audience that Helen was white?
There is very little specific physical description of Helen, because it's an oral tale meant to spread and be told all over. The beauty is described through the beauty's impact, allowing the audience to imagine their own image of such beauty. Specific details of the beauty come in later plays and poems from centuries and millenia later, not from Homer. Helen did not launch a thousand ships in Homer's words. Helen did not explicitly cause the war in Homer's words. That was all added in adaptations later. The fair skin and fair hair is all from medieval poetry and artwork, not from Homer.
Yeah, highly unlikely the fictional Greek queen would have been conceived of as black, but cut that shite out trying to use a translated 3,000 year-old metaphor to prove a person was white.
You should read the Iliad and the Odyssey. I just did. Pretty good reads. Odyssey is much more entertaining than the Iliad. Doing this might prevent some of you from sounding so dumb.
You should read Homer is a bold sign off from someone pretending the Greeks repeatedly describing their own elite women as white-armed had absolutely no descriptive meaning whatsoever. That's not a literary analysis, it's mental gymnastics.
Replace Greek with Kenyan and white-armed with black-armed and I guarantee you wouldn't be calling it "just a metaphor" anymore.
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Yeah, highly unlikely the fictional Greek queen would have been conceived of as black
More like zero fricking chance.
This post was edited on 7/2/26 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 7/2/26 at 12:27 pm to HueyLongJr
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Also, which translations did you read?
100% chance it was Emily Wilson's "translation".
Posted on 7/2/26 at 12:33 pm to saintsfan22
Cotillard is ugly as a mud fence. You could lay a 5-iron down between her eyes and she has that caste mark growing out of the middle of her forehead. Ain't no way any "playboy billionaire" is falling for her.
Posted on 7/2/26 at 12:36 pm to Jay Are
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You should read the Iliad and the Odyssey. I just did.
No you didn't.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 1:17 am to BugAC
Posted on 7/3/26 at 6:35 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Cotillard is ugly as a mud fence. You could lay a 5-iron down between her eyes and she has that caste mark growing out of the middle of her forehead. Ain't no way any "playboy billionaire" is falling for her.
I agree.
And in general, why don’t actors get giant protruding moles lopped off???
A major part of their job is to look attractive. Moles are gross and distracting.
Hell, let’s not stop at actors. Everyone with moles and skin tags need to get that shite removed.
Lastly, as usual JayAre is a retard and so of course he’ll defend this turd of a movie.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 7:48 am to RLDSC FAN
I don't care about the casting in the trailer. It looks dull mixed with teen melodrama. For me that was an absolute trash final trailer. If that is the best they can muster then I am not optimistic about the movie and I like all Nolan including Tenet.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 8:38 am to imjustafatkid
Can't believe someone could laugh at that and then actually think it was funny enough to share.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 8:58 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Can't believe someone could laugh at that and then actually think it was funny enough to share.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:03 am to imjustafatkid
This guy is completely geeking out for Nolan
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:08 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:That was objectively funny.
Can't believe someone could laugh at that and then actually think it was funny enough to share.
This post was edited on 7/3/26 at 9:09 am
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:26 am to Scruffy
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:32 am to Scruffy
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That was objectively funny.
Let me guess, you laughed at this one too? Boomer humor man
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:35 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:The gifs of her are pretty funny.
Let me guess, you laughed at this one too?
That one isn’t as funny as the other ones.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:36 am to Scruffy
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:48 am to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:49 am to RLDSC FAN
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Emma Thomas was genuinely blown away by Tom Holland’s physical performance in THE ODYSSEY:
“Obviously, I have seen his work, but you don’t really understand it until you see him do it in person. In fact, because Telemachus is a young man still coming into his strengths and quality of character, there were moments where Chris had to be saying, ‘Please don’t do it quite as well! You’re not meant to be an expert yet!’ He was just fabulous.”
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 7/3/26 at 10:06 am to RLDSC FAN
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Working with him confirmed for me that he's one of the great actors of his generation…
This might end up being true and I'm looking forward to him in this, but it's a little early for that. Right now he is basically just Spider-Man. Looking froward to seeing his range.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 10:22 am to BRich
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black Helen of Troy
Helen was a Spartan, the most xenophobic people of all Greeks. There is only one explanation for a black Helen; Oscars best picture RAISE (DEI) requirements stipulate that a certain percentage of the cast, crew, or executives have to be from "underrepresented" groups.
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