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re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)
Posted on 1/5/16 at 4:47 pm to BamaChick
Posted on 1/5/16 at 4:47 pm to BamaChick
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One has now spoken out today - anonymously to the filmmakers and claims they think Avery was framed and the jurors were "afraid for their safety", and deliberately rendered two contradictory verdicts in the hopes that an appeals court would overturn and order a new trial, and actually "traded" votes on charges.
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 4:59 pm to Big Scrub TX
Even more fascinating is the statement from Penny Beernsten, the woman whose false identification sent him to prison. It's not really about his case, but it's an interesting read to see things from her perspective:
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 4:59 pm to the_watcher
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Had a feeling this would be your response. It's not "allegedly" the last confirmed place anyone saw her. Steve Avery's house is the last confirmed place anyone has publicly admitted to seeing Teresa Halbach. Which was confirmed by Steve Avery himself. This is not disputed by anyone, accept apparently 13SaintTiger
Allegedly is a fact, it can't be confirmed because no one actually knows who last seen her. SA didn't confirm shite, he said she left his house. Who knows where else she went. You don't know who seen her last and if you think you do please tell me you were there at least.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 5:02 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Allegedly is a fact, it can't be confirmed because no one actually knows who last seen her. SA didn't confirm shite, he said she left his house. Who knows where else she went. You don't know who seen her last and if you think you do please tell me you were there at least.
Correct. "Where she was last seen alive" is inherently a phrase that is biased in favor of the prosecution.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 5:09 pm to Baloo
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Even more fascinating is the statement from Penny Beernsten, the woman whose false identification sent him to prison. It's not really about his case, but it's an interesting read to see things from her perspective:
This is why I totally understand Theresa's brother's feelings. If I were in Penny or his shoes I would react the same way. But as we can see from objective lenses, without emotion involved, it's all very complicated.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 5:11 pm to 13SaintTiger
Yeah, family of the victim gets a pass for whatever they say. The brother does sort of creep me out, but he also lost his sister, and it's not up to use to tell him how to properly mourn that.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 5:13 pm to Baloo
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A few months after I met Steve, he left a message for me. So I called him and he was kind of beating around the bush. He was telling me how he didn’t have any money and he couldn’t get a job and he was living on his parent’s property and it wasn’t going well and he wanted to get his own place to live and it would really be nice to have a house. I finally came out and said, “Steve, are you asking me to buy you a house?” And he said yes.
That's odd
Posted on 1/5/16 at 5:16 pm to Big Scrub TX
who said that
Posted on 1/5/16 at 5:19 pm to WG_Dawg
Penny Beerntsen, the victim of the 1985 attack.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 5:26 pm to Big Scrub TX
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That's odd
Yeah. He's an odd and mildly retarded guy. Guys with these characteristics are often described as "creepy". Too poor to be eccentric and too stupid to be the quiet deep thinker.
Doesn't make him a rapist and murderer, but I certainly wouldn't want to hang out with him at his family bonfire.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 5:34 pm to TK421
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Doesn't make him a rapist and murderer, but I certainly wouldn't want to hang out with him at his family bonfire.
Yeah, but I know all that from the stained t-shirt he wore for his big day on TV with the governor.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 5:59 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Yeah, but I know all that from the stained t-shirt he wore for his big day on TV with the governor.
I had to rewind and pause at this part. I thought I was seeing things.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 6:11 pm to tiggerthetooth
Dude was about to get a windfall.
So we have government power (to do what they want, embarrassed as hell and about to all lose their jobs) along with rampant corruption (Brendan's plant as "defense attorney" but sell-out for the prosecution.) - No other attorney would fight so hard to stay on a case if the client didn't want him.
Vs.
The State trying to make us believe that a man about to be rich as sin - is so stupid - he decides to kill a woman and forfeit all of that and (despite having a salvage yard) - keeps her vehicle in plain sight for all the world to see.
The State never provided a real motive beyond - he's a sexual deviant - and well, his previous rape conviction - is the only evidence they have of that belief and he was exonerated.
So we have government power (to do what they want, embarrassed as hell and about to all lose their jobs) along with rampant corruption (Brendan's plant as "defense attorney" but sell-out for the prosecution.) - No other attorney would fight so hard to stay on a case if the client didn't want him.
Vs.
The State trying to make us believe that a man about to be rich as sin - is so stupid - he decides to kill a woman and forfeit all of that and (despite having a salvage yard) - keeps her vehicle in plain sight for all the world to see.
The State never provided a real motive beyond - he's a sexual deviant - and well, his previous rape conviction - is the only evidence they have of that belief and he was exonerated.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 6:31 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
IMO... In no way shape or form did the state prove that Avery was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That jury should be ashamed of themselves.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 6:36 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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The State trying to make us believe that a man about to be rich as sin - is so stupid - he decides to kill a woman and forfeit all of that
ya know...that's one point that never even crossed my mind the whole time. $36M or not (probably not), he was still in line to get a nice chunk of change. At the very minimum he had $400K coming his way which would probably be like millions to a normal person. I just truly don't see a motive to kill theresa, and he clearly isn't challenged/retarded enough to only go on primitive instincts like "me like girl, she no like me, must kill girl".
Posted on 1/5/16 at 7:02 pm to WG_Dawg
The show was unbelievably one sided. Not a single meeting with the prosecutors by the film makers.
Look those defense lawyers got paid out of the $400K. They painted this "our guy was framed" defense and the filmmakers presented everything to back it up.
Hardly ever did they suggest who else might have killed the lady---to carry out the defense's conspiracy the police themselves would have had to kill the woman. Never did they offer an alternative explanation as to how the lady's body was found on the Avery property or how the Rav4 was stored on the property and who took the time to put all that brush and scrap wood around it.
Avery killed the woman. Not a time during the trial portion of the film did I ever think any evidence was presented to overcome the evidence that the woman was killed on Avery property and Avery's blood was in her car.
Look those defense lawyers got paid out of the $400K. They painted this "our guy was framed" defense and the filmmakers presented everything to back it up.
Hardly ever did they suggest who else might have killed the lady---to carry out the defense's conspiracy the police themselves would have had to kill the woman. Never did they offer an alternative explanation as to how the lady's body was found on the Avery property or how the Rav4 was stored on the property and who took the time to put all that brush and scrap wood around it.
Avery killed the woman. Not a time during the trial portion of the film did I ever think any evidence was presented to overcome the evidence that the woman was killed on Avery property and Avery's blood was in her car.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 7:20 pm to I B Freeman
Just went through your post history and decided to remove my response.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 7:26 pm to 13SaintTiger
It's pretty obvious that he hasn't read anyone else's responses.
He just again said the defense didn't offer alternative suspects when he was already responded to that that judge ordered the defense not to offer up alternatives. So therefore again, the defense must contend the police killed Teresa.
He's not a deep thinker.
He just again said the defense didn't offer alternative suspects when he was already responded to that that judge ordered the defense not to offer up alternatives. So therefore again, the defense must contend the police killed Teresa.
He's not a deep thinker.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 7:33 pm to drizztiger
all that, plus:
is comical. I mean really...if they were to call up ol ken kratz's office and say "hi there, we're making a documentary filmed over several years that asserts that steven avery was framed by mr kratz, mr lenk, mr colburn, and potentially a large number of manitowoc county law enforcement officials...would you mind penciling me in for a meeting so we can film your side?" they'd be hung up on.
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Not a single meeting with the prosecutors by the film makers.
is comical. I mean really...if they were to call up ol ken kratz's office and say "hi there, we're making a documentary filmed over several years that asserts that steven avery was framed by mr kratz, mr lenk, mr colburn, and potentially a large number of manitowoc county law enforcement officials...would you mind penciling me in for a meeting so we can film your side?" they'd be hung up on.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 7:37 pm to I B Freeman
You post the same bullshite in every thread regarding this series. Your points are refuted by a different poster in each thread, but you still bask in your ignorance.
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