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re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)

Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:04 pm to
Posted by HoustonChick86
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:04 pm to
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Every. Damn. Time.

And it made me sad that neither one of them knew what the word "inconsistent" meant at one point.

Mom: They say you might have a good case because your story is inconsistent.

Brandon: What does inconsistent mean?

Mom: ....I don't know.

WOW. I just feel bad for these folks. They aren't educated and they were totally railroaded by the system. It's not their fault.

I was trying to remember what that word was earlier. Blew my mind neither of them knew what it meant and just goes to show how uneducated they are.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:05 pm to
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Is there any sourcing for those claims?


Statements from Prosecutor Ken Kratz:
LINK

If the documentarians knew that Avery had a history with the victim, they should've stated it in the series.

Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:07 pm to
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I was trying to remember what that word was earlier. Blew my mind neither of them knew what it meant and just goes to show how uneducated they are.


The kid admitted that he was getting through school by guessing on tests.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:08 pm to
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Statements from Prosecutor Ken Kratz:


Were those introduced into evidence or is he just saying them now?

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If the documentarians knew that Avery had a history with the victim, they should've stated it in the series.


agreed

However this:
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Kratz also claims that a bullet, recovered from Avery's garage, couldn't possibly have been planted by police, as the defense also alleged. "Ballistics said the bullet found in the garage was fired by Avery's rifle, which was in a police evidence locker since Nov. 6, 2005," says Kratz. "If the cops planted the bullet, how did they get one fired from [Avery's] gun? This rifle, hanging over Avery's bed, is the source of the bullet found in the garage, with Teresa's DNA on it. The bullet had to be fired before Nov. 5."


is just self-serving bullshite. If they wanted to plant the bullet, then they would have fired the gun themselves!
This post was edited on 12/30/15 at 12:10 pm
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:12 pm to
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In Dassey’s illegally obtained statement


doesn't that basically negate anything that follows, since it was obtained illegally?

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Dassey stated that he helped Avery moved the RAV4 into the junkyard and that Avery had lifted the hood and removed the battery cable.


AFter watching brendan's interrogations with fassbender and the other dude, why would we believe ANYTHING brendan confesses to? They got him to say that he shot her in the head, when for an hour beforehand he said he didn't do anything. They're manipulative, lying sacks of shite, is it really so hard to believe they could persuade brendan into saying anything they wanted him to?
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:15 pm to
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Were those introduced into evidence or is he just saying them now?


They tried to introduce the towel thing, but the judge agreed that it was inflammatory.

Avery requesting the victim specifically was a part of her boss' testimony, but they didn't show that.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:24 pm to
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Avery requesting the victim specifically was a part of her boss' testimony, but they didn't show that.


Where are you getting that info?

If that boss testified, then shame on the filmmakers for not showing it.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:31 pm to
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Where are you getting that info?

LINK

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While Kratz refuses to re-try the case in the court of public opinion, he stands by the physical and circumstantial evidence presented at trial that secured the conviction of both Avery and Dassey. Evidence like the bullet found in Avery’s garage with Halbach’s DNA on it. It was proven to have been fired from a gun Avery owned. Or, the testimony from an AutoTrader official who said Steven Avery requested the magazine send Halbach to photograph the van.
This post was edited on 12/30/15 at 1:38 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:34 pm to
Link no worky
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:50 pm to
Here's another interesting one:
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What’s more, the Making a Murderer team did all this without mentioning that none of these three men were included on any list of alternative suspects. All we hear is that Avery’s original defence team was prevented from discussing other possible suspects in court. The filmmakers don’t tell us that those suspects were all related to the Avery clan and the salvage yard and that they included Steven Avery’s brothers, Earl Avery and Charles Avery, his brother-in law Scott Tadych, his nephew Bobby Dassey and — wait for it — Brendan Dassey.

Yes, you read that correctly. All the while Making a Murderer is building a case that the prosecution of Brendan Dassey as a murderer alongside his uncle is a gross miscarriage of justice, they neglected to acknowledge that taht Avery’s very competent defence team was also prepared to throw Brendan under the bus. Turns out real life is way more complicated than even a 10-hour documentary.

The problem for the filmmakers is the lawyers were probably right. If Steven Avery didn’t kill Teresa Halbach, it was likely one or more of the people on their list. That’s not as good a story as leaving it up in the air and implying the cops or the victim’s brother or her ex-BF and the roommate did it. But if you think about it, it actually makes a lot of sense that the murderer was connected to the Avery clan.


LINK
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 1:00 pm to
This is the best enumeration of things that were left out that I can find:

LINK
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 1:38 pm to
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Link no worky


Fixed it.
Posted by TechBullDawg
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 1:57 pm to
Could Avery have been intentionally set up by someone in the extended Avery clan? A cousin or uncle killing the woman, and leaving evidence on the site so as to point fingers at the convicted Avery, knowing the police would consider him the strongest suspect? And then Gump being coerced into implicating himself? Unless Avery and Dassey DID do it, then this makes sense to me as cousins/uncles would not draw suspicions by being seen on the salvage yard, and also knowing the coming and goings of Avery.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 2:05 pm to
but what motive would avery's cousin/uncle/family have to kill theresa?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 2:58 pm to
What motive did Avery himself have?

I'm having the hardest time with the sweat/key point as well as the Brendan bleach point.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 3:01 pm to
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What motive did Avery himself have?


none that I can think of, aside from maybe some weird hangup/obsession with theresa. But that's a shot in the dark.

I was just responding to the fact that the defense laid out other avery family members as potential perpetrators, but I can't fathom one single reason why any of them would do that.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 3:04 pm to
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I was just responding to the fact that the defense laid out other avery family members as potential perpetrators, but I can't fathom one single reason why any of them would do that.


That Tadych guy was a scary creep. I could see him being a sociopath.
Posted by HoustonChick86
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 3:07 pm to
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aside from maybe some weird hangup/obsession with theresa.

If he can't have her no one can type deal maybe.

I haven't finished the last two episodes, or read much outside of this thread. I'm leaning towards she came over, things got out of control and he did it but didn't mean to. Once the cops found out they planted evidence to ensure he would get convicted, the story they come up with just doesn't fit though meaning there was reasonable doubt and he shouldn't have been convicted.
Posted by dualed
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 3:07 pm to
I'm only on episode 3, but has anyone here mentioned how violent Avery's letters were to Lori while he was in prison for the rape? He said he was going to fricking kill her in several different letters if I recall correctly. I don't get that vibe by just watching the guy talk on camera, but maybe he's just one bipolar dude. Reading the stuff in this thread that was omitted from the doc makes me think he was guilty, but it's hard for me to see motive like you say. I'll continue to watch the series regardless.
Posted by Rhames
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 3:10 pm to
In his defense he said that after she wrote him saying she was going to kill their kids
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