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re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)

Posted on 12/28/15 at 1:55 pm to
Posted by KillerNut9
Pearl Jam
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 1:55 pm to
My jaw dropped when Avery's attorney told his family that the initial poll of jurors was 3 guilty, 7 not guilty, and 2 undecided. I wasn't shocked by the amount of jurors with not guilty, but couldn't believe everyone else gave in to the 3 guilty jurors.

I would have been more than willing to sit there for weeks never budging from a not guilty stance.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 2:03 pm
Posted by Chillini
Member since Sep 2012
3153 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:03 pm to
Question as I finish this up. Minor thing, but why was thee Sheriff that was involved with allegedly planting evidence when he shouldn't have been involved with the Avery investigation transporting Dassey? Isn't that a bad look to have him involved in any way?
Posted by AlbertMeansWell
Member since Sep 2013
5565 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:22 pm to
Where is her body?

Or can we say with some certainty that the pieces of bone were hers?
Posted by lsuwontonwrap
Member since Aug 2012
34147 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:39 pm to
They must have done DNA testing on the bones. I can't believe they just assumed it was her.
Posted by TechBullDawg
Member since May 2014
2097 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 5:59 pm to
Was it conclusive the bones were ID'd through DNA testing?

Seems I recall the trial centered on "evidence" they could find no DNA on, namely that the trailer and garage. And with Dassey saying she was tied down, raped, and killed on the bed, why the big focus on the garage?

If no evidence was found during initial sweeps, either the CSI guys must be total frick-ups to not see a key laying in plain view, or the key was a plant.
Posted by SPEEDY
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Member since Dec 2003
87210 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 6:12 pm to
The biggest red flag to me was the lack of blood splatter anywhere

If the state claims the girl was shot in that garage, there is no way to clean up all the junk that was in there. It's impossible.

I mean, to believe the state's claim that the girl was shot in the garage, then that meant Avery took the time to meticulously clean every square inch of the place, including all that junk. That's a very labor intensive and time consuming endeavor. Not to mention the time and effort it took to clean the trailer he lived in.

So after being that thorough , he then drives her car out back and just props some tree branches on it to try and hide it?
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 6:15 pm
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
66735 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 6:29 pm to
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So after being that thorough , he then drives her car out back and just props some tree branches on it to try and hide it?


All while having a car compactor on property.
Posted by AlbertMeansWell
Member since Sep 2013
5565 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 6:33 pm to
I still think Avery is "Probably" guilty though.
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
87210 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 6:42 pm to
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All while having a car compactor on property


Probably drove right past it on the way to the stash spot
Posted by yurintroubl
Dallas, Tx.
Member since Apr 2008
30192 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 7:38 pm to
Avery killed her in the back of the Rav4 and likely started to burn her somewhere that wasn't 20 feet from his house. I think the last of the multiple calls phone records show from Steve's phone to Teresa that day was him calling to try and locate it after she was dead. The call that only lasted 13 seconds at 4:30pm...
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
45152 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 7:45 pm to
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The biggest red flag to me was the lack of blood splatter anywhere
I watched enough Dexter to agree with you, but my #1 red flag is the key and clasp.

They search the trailer 6 times and no key. On 7th search without Calumet specifically watching Lenk, he finds the key. The key and clasp have zero DNA from Teresa which is almost theoretically impossible. She would use the key regularly. Yet Avery's blood is on it. OK.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288736 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 7:55 pm to
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I still think Avery is "Probably" guilty though.



can you give your top 3 reasons/evidence why?
Posted by ATXTiger64
Member since Jul 2006
890 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:22 pm to
How about the notes of the phone call to the lady at the DNA testing lab. "Try to place her in the trailer/garage.)" why the frick does she need to know those details?
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
45152 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

How about the notes of the phone call to the lady at the DNA testing lab. "Try to place her in the trailer/garage.)" why the frick does she need to know those details?
And on top of that, she contaminates the test sample and ignored protocol for the first time in her career to endorse the positive test anyway.

Not suspicious as all. Nothing to see here.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:14 pm to
I started watching yesterday. Already up to episode 6.

Holy frickballs. I'm memorized. I haven't read any of this thread or googled anything about this, so I have no idea what has happened since 2007 and I'm at the very beginning of the trial.

I'll check back in and catch up on reading this thread, not going to now for obvious reasons, but I'll just say this thing has me worked up, pissed off and wanting to beat some certain people's arse right now.

This shite is disturbing and memorizing. So far, wow.

Just wow.

Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47275 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:22 pm to
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Was it conclusive the bones were ID'd through DNA testing?



I think they identified one of her teeth thru dental records.
Posted by ATXTiger64
Member since Jul 2006
890 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:26 pm to
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ignored protocol for the first time in her career


Exactly...I am truly baffled how any of this "evidence" is ligit.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:32 pm to
I love all the racing jackets the Avery family sports.
Posted by yurintroubl
Dallas, Tx.
Member since Apr 2008
30192 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:33 pm to
quote:


I think they identified one of her teeth thru dental records.


I think there was also a little bit of flesh left on a piece of leg/hip bone fragment.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
45152 posts
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:46 pm to
Speaking of the remains. I also found it curious while watching that the DA's expert basically said the reason she believed the body was burned in the burn pit 20-feet from Avery's trailer was because that's where most of the remains were found. That was her answer.

When in fact it makes no logical sense. And the defense witness then was spot on. The actual burn site would have the least amount of remains in a situation like this where remains are found in three locations. You burn in one spot then pick up everything and move it, but you'll miss remnants.

To think Avery and Dassey burned her in the pit outside his trailer then randomly picked up a small portion of the remains to move to 1. another burn pit and 2. a burn barrel and then 3. leaving most of the remains right outside his trailer is a very difficult narrative to believe.
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