re: New Black Mirror coming to Netflix

It is their consciousness...so it is everything that made that person human. Besides the body.

Yeah this board plus 1 friend of mine is what made me get into it. I started watching and was so fired up I wanted to talk about it with others but there was like 24 hours with no response in here so I had to bump it lol.

I am continually amazed at this show. Love it.

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I find this topic fascinating.

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what's really fascinating to me is the thought process behind that decision if that were a reality.

Going on context here, hamm is performing a paid service that people sign up for to have their copies end up performing tasks for them. It's interesting the mindset that would go into the human's decisison to go through with this. On one hand, their life is made much easier and more convenient each and every time they're at home by essentially have a 24/7 butler on call at all times. But that butler, while a copy, does have feelings, thoughts, emotions, etc. But the original human would never know it. Could you make that decision, knowing full well 100% that YOU as a human won't be affected negatively in any way, but that the copy is you and would basically be relegated to an entire lifetime's worth of punishment and torture?

Crazy stuff.

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15 Million Merits

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I forgot part of this. When people get enough to credits to try out for the show, what happens if they suck? Like if a guy goes up to sing or whatever and he's bad...does he just go straight back to his room or is he killed or something?

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I'd love to see everyone's thoughts on what themes each episode represents. Some are easy, but others are a little more tricky to pinpoint a definite theme.

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To me, the overall theme of the entire show is the potential oppressiveness of technology set to the backdrop of the penchant for human punishment and cruelty.

I view individual episodes as just variations on that theme.

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Going on context here, hamm is performing a paid service that people sign up for to have their copies end up performing tasks for them. It's interesting the mindset that would go into the human's decisison to go through with this. On one hand, their life is made much easier and more convenient each and every time they're at home by essentially have a 24/7 butler on call at all times. But that butler, while a copy, does have feelings, thoughts, emotions, etc. But the original human would never know it. Could you make that decision, knowing full well 100% that YOU as a human won't be affected negatively in any way, but that the copy is you and would basically be relegated to an entire lifetime's worth of punishment and torture?

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Did they ever make it clear that the human DIDN'T know that? I think it's sinister either way, obviously...but I'm not sure they ever said one way or the other.

Reminds me of that Ewan Macgregor/Scarlet Johanssen movie The Island where humans were making copies of themselves in case they got sick or needed repair parts. Clearly the clients didn't know in that case because Ned Stark was lying to them...but even when one DID find out he basically told the copy to go frick himself.

In this case...is it more or less likely this woman would have even cared?

Hell...even in our reality today I'd bet you'd find a healthy portion of our society who would have ZERO issues with doing this...any of it. I couldn't, but I'd almost bet I'd be in the minority.

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how would yall rank the episodes?

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The Entire History of You
White Christmas
White Bear
The National Anthem
Fifteen Million Merits
Be Right Back
The Waldo Moment

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I've heard 1 is the worst so I've avoided watchign but will get to it in the next few days.

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It's much different than the others, but the shock factor is great. Maybe I overrate it because I was caught offguard with it being the first episode I watched, but I think it's great. And one that could theoretically happen, though probably not to that full extent.

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What's getting lost in the discussion here is that the White Christmas events were happening within a society that ALLOWED agents of the government to physically implant cookies beneath the skulls of unwilling people.

The rich girl who paid for her own cookie was included for two reasons: for us to later understand the spying mechanism, and for us to consider that if we're willing to do such a thing to ourselves that we'd probably have not much aversion to forcing it upon others.

It's very easy to imagine such a happening because we already witness people defending intrusions with the "if he's got nothing to hide" rationale.

I believe giving actual emotions to the artificial intelligence was fortuitous but unnecessary to a gripping story, that it was something that probably occurred to the writer/producer after some sort of rudimentary plot had already been formulated. "For something even MORE mindblowing, let's give the cookie some real emotions!" A pretty sharp move, actually.

That society, by the way, also allowed artificial eyeball implants into all its citizens. Did it do that as a condition of citizenship? Obviously, the government could spy on the activities of all its citizens at will, as evidenced by the brunette from the bar.

"If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide", after all.