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re: New Black Mirror coming to Netflix

Posted on 1/4/16 at 2:54 pm to
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 2:54 pm to
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Spoiler:

I figured out who and what Jon Hamm was doing early, but didn't figure catch on to the extra twist. Anyone figure it all out before the end.


Question: was the final zooming out infinite regression over and over just an artistic flourish, or was it meant to imply that even the simulations are simulating?

I was massively disturbed by the cops' casual "I set each minute to be 1000 years" deal. Massively.
Posted by LucasP
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:06 pm to
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It's on youtube...that's where I watched it.

You're welcome.



Thanks, hadn't seen it yet. That's pretty fricked up.
Posted by Rex
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:27 pm to
Great series... great news.

I loved Blue Waldo.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:35 pm to
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I loved Blue Waldo

Of course you do.
Posted by Rex
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 4:36 pm to
Red Waldo would have pissed me off.
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:30 pm to
It was supposed to be infinte imprisonment.
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:33 pm to
This is awesome news.

Watched white christmas over the weekend and that entire episode fricked with my mind.
Posted by hehateme
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:36 pm to
I hope they stick with the previous episodes as it relates to running times. I like how they just set out to make a great show and not care how long or short the running time would be.
Posted by Rex
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 8:51 am to
Watched White Christmas last night, now on Netflix. The poisoner (the brunette pickup in the bar) is the most important statement character in the episode. She's critical to really tying it all together, grasping what's going on, and warning what we could allow ourselves to become.

eta: Really good episode. Second best to the Fifteen Million Credits one IMV.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 9:09 am
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 8:55 am to
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Red Waldo would have pissed me off.

Touche'.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 8:56 am
Posted by Snatchy
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:44 am to
15 million merits is one of the best episodes in the history of TV. This should have one multiple Emmys. Second best series out right now. GOT is 1
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:14 pm to
OMG...this show is incredible. I have never watched any "sci fi" (not sure if this fits? I think I saw it described that way somewhere) before, but this is blowing my mind. A friend recommended White Christmas and I was floored. AFter that I watched Entire History of YOu and then this morning 15 Million Merits. How often do episodes get released?
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 7:55 am to
Anyone else watching black mirror? Watched white bear last night. Man this show continues to amaze me, it's unlike any show I've seen recently.

I would currently rate them like so:

White Christmas
15 million merits
entire history of you
white bear

Can't wait to get home from work and start diving into the rest.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 8:37 am to
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I was massively disturbed by the cops' casual "I set each minute to be 1000 years" deal. Massively.


Glad I wasn't the only one!

Not only did that piss me off, but even more so because the idiot cop essentially tortured the AI being that had literally done nothing wrong while the actual guy sat in a jail cell down the hall not talking. Why torture the AI instead of just turning it off?

All that aside...really incredible episode.

SPOILERS...

About 3/4 of the way through I got that Hamm was questioning him, but I made the assumption that he was a cop himself and the shite he told the guy was just typical detective BS designed to get him to open up and trust him. The twist that the cops were fine with having this other suspect elicit a confession from another one and then they still hammered Hamm with what he himself has described as the worst possible thing was a twist I hadn't seen coming at all.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 9:25 am to
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Not only did that piss me off, but even more so because the idiot cop essentially tortured the AI being that had literally done nothing wrong while the actual guy sat in a jail cell down the hall not talking. Why torture the AI instead of just turning it off?


I am guessing from Jon Hamm's statement earlier that most people do not really consider that AI to be a real person. That's why he was surprised and commented that the other guy was a good person.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 9:32 am to
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I am guessing from Jon Hamm's statement earlier that most people do not really consider that AI to be a real person. That's why he was surprised and commented that the other guy was a good person.


No...I get that, and it's what made what the guy we'd later find out was in the simulation had said regarding Hamm's story about his treatment of the woman's AI so poignant...that HE thought it was torture even while most people saw it as code. It was as if he foresaw he ultimate fate.

But what I'm not seeing was why the cop would even bother? Unless he was just a complete psychopathic sadist, why even bother torturing the code like that? It would have been sick to have done it to the actual perp, but at least then you could say he was "punishing" the real person.

Why be a dick to some code?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:37 am to
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GeauxTigerTM


Did you see my earlier question? I'm interested in your answer:

Regarding the "infinite regression" pullback out of the snow globe at the end - was that just artistic flourish, or was it meant to imply that there are simulations of simulations ad nauseum?
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:47 am to
Its not AI...

It is a duplicated soul that operates in a computer simulation.

It was way diffeent than an AI. It is a copy of a soul.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:52 am to
quote:

Regarding the "infinite regression" pullback out of the snow globe at the end - was that just artistic flourish, or was it meant to imply that there are simulations of simulations ad nauseum?


I assumed it was just an artistic way to show that the "guy" was endlessly stuck in that loop...which for all intents and purposes given the a-hole cop set his simulation at 1 minute = 1,000 years he basically was. For him, assuming they left at 5PM on Christmas Eve, were gone all day Christmas and showed up bright and early at 8AM on the 26th, that poor SOB would have existed for 2,340,000 years...in that room with that song playing with that dead girl laying in the snow...
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:57 am to
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Its not AI...

It is a duplicated soul that operates in a computer simulation.


AI was the wrong choice of words...but nowhere did they call it a soul. If they did, I missed it.

It was basically just a copy of one's personality...but like Hamm said, it was only a copy. It's why he was so cavalier about using the copy as a home's virtual butler or whatever. Assuming you're gonna hand out punishments, it would seem like the rightful recipient would be the real person rather than the duplicate which only existed for the purpose of extracting the confession.

I get that it was excruciating having to contemplate the copy's ordeal and all...I'm just questioning the point of doing it at all on the cop's part, other than being a gigantic twat.
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