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My SO thinks everything is CGI

Posted on 10/24/23 at 8:10 pm
Posted by yankeeundercover
Buffalo, NY
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 8:10 pm
She basically thinks it’s “cheaper to just CGI someone jumping off a three story building in the water” than having a stunt man make the jump…

I know that CGI is much more involved and I try to explain it, but she thinks it’s “just video some guy jumping and video the building and the water and then put the guy jumping over that” and then I tried how difficult her extremely simple response was she just says “well you don’t know for certain either” and because I’ve never been to film school I’m a dummy.

Is there any videos or movies or anything that explains how difficult CGI is and how difficult it was to do before hand versus just having a guy do it?

TIA
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 8:19 pm to
Watch the credits of a Marvel movie and notice the hundreds of names listed as digital artists, vfx artists, etc. Think about how long it takes to make the Avatar movies. That should give you an idea about how easy it is to do cgi.
Posted by Tigers0891
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Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 8:31 pm to
quote:

Watch the credits of a Marvel movie and notice the hundreds of names listed as digital artists, vfx artists, etc. Think about how long it takes to make the Avatar movies. That should give you an idea about how easy it is to do cgi.


Just because it takes three hundred people to produce it, doesn’t make it better. And forget “better” , most of the CGI movies aren’t even good.
Posted by alajones
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 8:37 pm to
Are we really having the “I’m trying to prove to my girlfriend that she is wrong” conversation?


Good luck dude.
Posted by Frac the world
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Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:20 pm to
She’s right, sounds like you need to go to film school.

Jackson, specifically with ROTK, and Lucas with the prequel trilogy opened the floodgates for CGI.

You can place actors anywhere in the world without actually going there. Even Cruise’s scenes, which are the closest you’re gonna get these days to authentic are touched up with CGI in post.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:48 pm to
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She basically thinks it’s “cheaper to just CGI someone jumping off a three story building in the water” than having a stunt man make the jump…


Here's a great example of wildly unnecessary CGI.

Here is Peter and Tony talking on a building in NYC. Instead of just putting the actors there and pointing cameras at them, the entire thing is green screened...obviously.

LINK

Oh...this is all CGI too. Yes, you obviously know Cap's not really holding a flying helicopter back...but did you know the whole thing is done in a parking lot in front of green screens with no city behind any of it?

Movie

Behind the Scenes
Posted by xenythx
Member since Dec 2007
33380 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:48 pm to
She's more right than you are.

This is from almost 15 years ago... Think about how much better CGI has gotten since then. And most of these shots are from TV shows with much smaller budgets than your average blockbuster movie.

LINK
This post was edited on 10/24/23 at 9:51 pm
Posted by JoeHackett
Member since Aug 2016
5166 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:49 pm to
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Is there any videos or movies or anything that explains how difficult CGI is and how difficult it was to do before hand versus just having a guy do it?


I don't know about a person jumping into water but there's a cool video of a guy remaking The Shining's blood elevator shot in CGI. Then comparing the two side by side.

LINK

According to him that one shot done practically would cost between $50-$100k. CGI would only cost $14-$20k.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:51 pm to
This is a solid vid on the topic of overused CGI.

LINK
Posted by Scoob
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 10:43 pm to
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She's more right than you are.

We're quickly heading towards all CGI, I think.

Look at what ILM is doing... go watch some of the better episodes of The Bad Batch. That's all completely animated, but if the characters left their armor on, there are scenes that are photorealistic.



They deepfaked Luke's face in Mando and Boba Fett



Now, consider the obvious progression- you can deep-fake a face onto one of the animated characters.

You can have "Luke" dealing with a bunch of stormtroopers and droids, do a few random faces (the animators maybe, for a few bucks?) in the background scenes, and there ya go.
They're close. They can already do it, it's just a matter of streamlining and optimizing the process.

As for the guy falling into the water-
CGI means no liability risk for the stunt man, once you design the fall you can move cameras anywhere, with any amount of focus or zoom you want. You can quickly screen a lot of different views before doing a full render for the final shot.
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 11:06 pm to
quote:

Just because it takes three hundred people to produce it, doesn’t make it better. And forget “better” , most of the CGI movies aren’t even good.


To be fair, a lot of that is because the studios barely turn a profit anymore because movie executives change their minds a lot… and redoing a scene in CGI is way more expensive than reshooting most live action sequences.

It’s why Lucas had his own special effects studio. That made it much easier to make Star Wars the way he wanted.
Posted by yankeeundercover
Buffalo, NY
Member since Jan 2010
36419 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 11:19 pm to
quote:

She’s right, sounds like you need to go to film school.
This is the exact scene that caused the problem.

The end of this Jack Ryan S2 clip

eta: I say some dude jumped and she said it was CGI
This post was edited on 10/24/23 at 11:20 pm
Posted by The_Joker
Winter Park, Fl
Member since Jan 2013
16355 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:23 am to
She's right to an extent. Maybe not with a guy jumping into water, but most cinematic action scenes are 90% CGI. Pretty much every car chase you've watched in the past 20 years has been CGI. Recently they look better because instead of fully fabricated 3D CGI environments, they use drones to map an area of a city and add the filler and cars from there.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
45984 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:55 am to
Your SO really must enjoy crappy DC superhero movies then.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95313 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:57 am to
She's sharp. Everything IS CGI. We're living in a simulation.

What are your other questions at this station?
Posted by ConfusedHawgInMO
Member since Apr 2014
3578 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:29 am to
Soon the famous actors won't be acting but licensing the rights to use their likeness for fully CGI productions.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:23 am to
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I say some dude jumped and she said it was CGI


I think you're right here.

Even though there's a ton of CGI, there are film makers that are rejecting it when they can. Case in point is Extraction 2 from Netflix. A huge portion of that was practical.

LINK
Posted by texn
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Member since Nov 2019
4094 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:27 am to
Tell her that she's right and all the large penises in porn are CGI as well, that no one has such large ones. You'll thank me in the long run.
Posted by yankeeundercover
Buffalo, NY
Member since Jan 2010
36419 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 11:34 am to
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Tell her that she's right and all the large penises in porn are CGI as well, that no one has such large ones. You'll thank me in the long run.
brilliant
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 10/25/23 at 11:51 am to
quote:

Jackson, specifically with ROTK, and Lucas with the prequel trilogy opened the floodgates for CGI.

You can place actors anywhere in the world without actually going there.


And doing that typically makes for a crappier movie. Part of the reason LOTR was so much better than The Hobbit trilogy was because of how much less CGI was used. Same can be said for the OG Star Wars and the prequels.
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