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re: My New Moon Review (spoilers)(completed)
Posted on 12/8/09 at 9:10 am to alajones
Posted on 12/8/09 at 9:10 am to alajones
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Frankly, I think this is a horrible story for young girls. It is really easy to be so in love and obsessed with someone when you will be young and beautiful and rich and have no problems for eternity, but shite ain't like that. Hell, even Steph constantly compares them to Romeo and Juliet, not exactly a healthy couple either.
I agree that its not the healthiest message for young girls. And yeah, Bella does have to rely on others to save her arse all the time.
BUT-- *Spoiler* In the final book, when Bella becomes a vampire, its like she was born to be a vampire. She's powerful and capable and all the things she dealt with as a human are different for her... granted, I hated the last book as I found Bella to be unsympathetic and vain... but Steph was trying to make it seem like Bella had finally found her place in the world.
And again, teenage girls are self-centered, dramatic and infuriating most of the time... at least she didn't make Bella some perfect example... I think there's a message in there somewhere, although where it is, I don't know...
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Posted on 12/8/09 at 9:27 am to Roaad
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None of this is reflected in the movie, fwiw. You always see Charlie doing the work and chores around the house, while Bella mopes.
Charlie works his nuts off, only to be rewarded by a daughter that respects him enough to lie to him about everything, disobeys him unashamedly, gets him and everyone else around her in mortal danger.
Twilight might be better if Bella was generally a good person. She isn't. Daniel Plainview is more sympathetic.
If I hadn't read the book, I would fully agree with you, FWIW. Its just difficult for ANY director to put an entire 500+ page book into a two hour movie without losing some pieces.
The book and the movie start off on a happy note and then quickly move to the sad part where Bella is grieving her loss. In the book its described at length that Bella is still cooking for her dad and doing her best to put on a brave face. It is somewhat different in the film.
The Volturi/vampires have rules about humans knowing about them... thats why at the end the Volturi tell Edward and Alice that either they need to make Bella or kill her-- she can't just go on knowing their secret without consequence.
Early on in Twilight, the novel, its explained that Charlie can't know and its for his safety... if the Volturi find out he knows, then his life is at risk. And again, the actions in Eclipse are a direct consequence of the Cullen's killing James. In Twilight, when James, Laurent and Victoria meet the Cullen's, James wanted to kill Bella when he realized she was human. Edward's reaction to protect her is what set him off. So either they could let James kill her or they kill James.
Another thing I found interesting is how vampire's mate for life... lol. Seriously. Its described in a lot of detail in the book New Moon how Carlisle won't lose Edward again and thats why he's voting "yes" to "turn" Bella. Its what Bella wants anyway.
I think I'm the only female in this thread and that might be why I'm more sympathetic to Bella's plight. She is generally a good person, but no, not always likable. She went to live with her dad so her mom could be with Phil. She cooks for her dad so he doesn't have to worry about it. The problem comes in with her obsession with Edward...
Posted on 12/8/09 at 9:32 am to Bodhi
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BUT-- *Spoiler* In the final book, when Bella becomes a vampire, its like she was born to be a vampire. She's powerful and capable and all the things she dealt with as a human are different for her.
well that's another great message
along with wereworlf baby molestation
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:07 am to Roaad
quote:I haven't seen either movie or read any of the books, so I can't really judge any of them fairly, although I do think it is weird that adult females seem to be so obsessed with the stuff.
What I saw in that theater was the most homoerotically suggestive movie I have ever been forced to sit through.
What really is funny to me are these women wearign shirts and things about how Edward can bite their pillows anytime. My gf tried to explain all that to me, but still I find it funny since for most of my life the term pillow biter has been used exclusively as derogatory slang for a gay male.
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:14 am to PJinAtl
I finally get why women like this shite thanks to:
How Twilight Works
How Twilight Works
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So what about men that like Twilight?
If you're male and you like Twilight, you're gay. I don't mean that in the derogatory sense, I mean it in the "you want to put your testicles against another man's testicles while gripping handfuls of chesthair" kind of way.
Posted on 12/8/09 at 11:08 am to glaucon
BOOM!!!
Posted on 12/8/09 at 11:35 am to Sophandros
Posted on 12/8/09 at 11:49 am to Sophandros
Posted on 12/8/09 at 11:54 am to glaucon
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How Twilight Works
Posted on 12/8/09 at 1:01 pm to constant cough
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This post was edited on 10/23/10 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 12/8/09 at 1:15 pm to glaucon
quote:Wow, that sums it up perfectly. The first book is the worst one at this. Twilight took me forever to get through because it was essentially a teen romance novel. It is really the only one I didn't care for at all. The two in the middle are the best, IMO. The last one is kind of stupid.
Imagine everything women want in a man, then exaggerate it by ten thousand - and you've got Edward Cullen. The level of detail that the author goes into while describing Edward's appearance is remarkable. At one point while reading I started counting the number of times the author used the expression "Edward's perfect face," and it was far into the double digits. The author excruciatingly details his muscular pecs, clothing, hair, eye color - even his goddamn breath (I'm not joking).
Posted on 12/8/09 at 1:27 pm to Daydreamer83
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It's a movie and purely for entertainment. If you don't like it, don't watch it!
I don't like the bastardization of the Vampire genre.
Posted on 12/8/09 at 1:34 pm to Sophandros
quote:Remember when the thought of vampires caused people to sleep with a night light. . .
I don't like the bastardization of the Vampire genre.
Vampires are whiny pussies now, courtesy of Stephanie Meyer and Anne Rice.
Posted on 12/8/09 at 1:38 pm to Roaad
By the time the story gets absurdly convoluted, you are too invested to care.
I wouldn't read past book 8 though...it is obvious he was milking the franchise after that (it is on book 14 now).
This post was edited on 12/8/09 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 12/8/09 at 3:13 pm to Roaad
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Remember when the thought of vampires caused people to sleep with a night light. . .
Vampires are whiny pussies now, courtesy of Stephanie Meyer and Anne Rice.
:kige:
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