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re: Michael was such a great movie
Posted on 4/26/26 at 2:41 pm to meansonny
Posted on 4/26/26 at 2:41 pm to meansonny
quote:This wasn't frivolous lawsuit
Lloyd's does not settle frivolous lawsuits to make them go away.
quote:Or evidence that it can be drawn out into a "his word against mine" in which case it is near impossible to prove a negative when the defendant is a child manipulated by his opportunistic father. . .and that the litigation proceedings itself can damage the reputation and earning power of the defendant, even if the defendant is 100% innocent.
Mediating outside of court typically includes evidence not favorable to the defendant.
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Posted on 4/26/26 at 2:54 pm to pwejr88
The movie was excellent and this is coming from someone who has flown over Neverland in a Cessna and went to both 30th Anniversary Shows at Madison Square Garden in 2001.
I also saw him give a speech at Carnegie Hall.
I also saw him give a speech at Carnegie Hall.
Posted on 4/26/26 at 3:04 pm to Roaad
quote:
quote:
Lloyd's does not settle frivolous lawsuits to make them go away.
This wasn't frivolous lawsuit
This is exactly my point.
Thank you for agreeing.
Posted on 4/26/26 at 3:08 pm to meansonny
It was a malicious lawsuit, not a frivolous one.
quote:
Thank you for agreeing.
Posted on 4/26/26 at 3:09 pm to Roaad
You may want to Google frivolous lawsuit.
You obviously are unaware of the meaning.
You obviously are unaware of the meaning.
Posted on 4/26/26 at 3:11 pm to Roaad
You may want to Google malicious lawsuit as you dont know that one either.
Posted on 4/26/26 at 3:15 pm to meansonny
quote:Done, anything else I can get for you?
You may want to Google malicious lawsuit as you dont know that one either.
quote:
Was the 1993 child molestation lawsuit filed by Jordan Chandler frivolous or malicious?
The classification of the 1993 Jordan Chandler lawsuit as frivolous or malicious is a subject of intense debate, with evidence supporting both perspectives regarding the civil filing and the subsequent criminal investigation.
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Then it proceeds to make a case only for malicious
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quote:
Arguments for Malicious Intent
Insurance Strategy: Legal analyses suggest the lawsuit was strategically filed to trigger Michael Jackson’s homeowners insurance, which covers negligence but typically excludes intentional criminal acts like sexual molestation. By including negligence claims, the Chandlers’ attorney, Larry Feldman, reportedly aimed to secure a financial payout regardless of the criminal outcome.
Circumvention of Rights: Jackson’s legal team argued the civil suit was filed to bypass his Fifth Amendment rights. Because the civil trial was scheduled before the criminal investigation concluded, Jackson feared that testifying in civil court would provide prosecutors with evidence to build a criminal case, effectively forcing a settlement to protect his constitutional rights.
Financial Motives: The settlement resulted in approximately $15.3 million being placed in a trust for Jordan Chandler, with significant portions going to his parents and attorney. Critics argue this financial windfall, combined with the family’s request for witness protection, suggests an extortionate motive rather than a genuine pursuit of justice.
Arguments Against Frivolous Claims
Detailed Allegations: The original civil complaint listed seven specific causes of action, including sexual battery, seduction, and fraud, alleging Jackson molested the 13-year-old over a five-month period. These were not vague claims but detailed accusations that prompted a police search warrant and extensive investigation.
Legal Proceedings: The case proceeded through formal legal channels, including a scheduled trial date in March 1994. The complexity of the negotiations and the involvement of guardians ad litem indicate a serious legal dispute rather than a baseless filing.
No Admission of Guilt: The settlement agreement explicitly stated that the payment was for negligence and did not constitute an admission of sexual abuse. This standard legal clause allowed Jackson to maintain his innocence while resolving the civil liability, a common practice in civil settlements that does not inherently prove the initial claims were malicious.
Outcome and Impact The civil lawsuit was settled out of court in September 1993, leading Jordan Chandler to cease cooperation with prosecutors. Consequently, the criminal investigation was closed without charges due to insufficient evidence at that time. The controversy surrounding the case led to changes in California law, specifically Civil Code 1669.5, which prevents settlements in civil cases from hindering criminal prosecutions.
Posted on 4/26/26 at 3:18 pm to DCtiger1
Michael Jackson's Global Impact on Children
Heal the World Foundation
Michael Jackson founded the Heal the World Foundation in 1992, aiming to improve the lives of disadvantaged children globally. The foundation focused on several key areas:
Providing Medicine: The foundation supplied medical assistance to children in need.
Fighting Hunger: It worked to combat world hunger and malnutrition.
Child Welfare: The foundation addressed issues like child exploitation and abuse.
Major Contributions
Jackson's philanthropic efforts included significant financial donations, including his own, and organized events:
Financial Donations: He donated millions of dollars to various charities, including proceeds from his concerts.
Benefit Concerts: Jackson organized and performed in numerous benefit concerts, raising funds for children's causes.
Direct Support: He facilitated programs that provided food, education, and medical care to children affected by poverty and conflict.
Notable Initiatives
Some of the foundation's impactful initiatives included:
Airlift to Sarajevo: Delivered 46 tons of supplies to children in war-torn Sarajevo.
Liver Transplant Donation: Funded a Hungarian child's liver transplant, showcasing direct medical support.
Super Bowl XXVII Performance Performed at the Super Bowl to promote the foundation, raising awareness and funds.
Legacy of Compassion
Michael Jackson's commitment to helping children extended beyond financial contributions. He visited hospitals, organized events for underprivileged youth, and inspired many through his music and humanitarian efforts all while spending millions of his own money. His legacy continues to influence charitable work worldwide, emphasizing the importance of compassion and support for those in need.
He was the GOAT.
And we villainized him.
Shame on all of us.
Heal the World Foundation
Michael Jackson founded the Heal the World Foundation in 1992, aiming to improve the lives of disadvantaged children globally. The foundation focused on several key areas:
Providing Medicine: The foundation supplied medical assistance to children in need.
Fighting Hunger: It worked to combat world hunger and malnutrition.
Child Welfare: The foundation addressed issues like child exploitation and abuse.
Major Contributions
Jackson's philanthropic efforts included significant financial donations, including his own, and organized events:
Financial Donations: He donated millions of dollars to various charities, including proceeds from his concerts.
Benefit Concerts: Jackson organized and performed in numerous benefit concerts, raising funds for children's causes.
Direct Support: He facilitated programs that provided food, education, and medical care to children affected by poverty and conflict.
Notable Initiatives
Some of the foundation's impactful initiatives included:
Airlift to Sarajevo: Delivered 46 tons of supplies to children in war-torn Sarajevo.
Liver Transplant Donation: Funded a Hungarian child's liver transplant, showcasing direct medical support.
Super Bowl XXVII Performance Performed at the Super Bowl to promote the foundation, raising awareness and funds.
Legacy of Compassion
Michael Jackson's commitment to helping children extended beyond financial contributions. He visited hospitals, organized events for underprivileged youth, and inspired many through his music and humanitarian efforts all while spending millions of his own money. His legacy continues to influence charitable work worldwide, emphasizing the importance of compassion and support for those in need.
He was the GOAT.
And we villainized him.
Shame on all of us.
Posted on 4/26/26 at 3:22 pm to pwejr88
Grok also gave me this:
quote:
Arguments for Malice or Extortion
Critics of the lawsuit often point to the behavior of Jordan’s father, Evan Chandler, as evidence of a malicious or predatory motive:
Settlement Demands: Before the lawsuit was filed, Evan Chandler allegedly demanded $20 million from Jackson to prevent the accusations from going public or being reported to the authorities.
Threatening Recordings: Secretly recorded telephone conversations captured Evan Chandler threatening to "destroy" Jackson if his financial demands were not met.
Later Legal Actions: In 1996, Evan filed a $60 million suit against Jackson for allegedly breaching the settlement's confidentiality, which was ultimately dismissed.
The "EVANstory" Project: In later legal filings, Evan's brother requested a record deal as part of a settlement for a rebuttal album titled EVANstory, which some view as proof of a profit-driven motive.
Posted on 4/26/26 at 5:24 pm to pwejr88
It appears to be a cultural phenomenon for a certain group of folks. We went and watched another movie last night in Lafayette, and after seeing the crowd my daughter said we could have made a ton of money selling MJ t-shirts outside the Grand.
Posted on 4/26/26 at 5:58 pm to pwejr88
Definitely ragebait. You knew what the reaction was going to be from posters on here
That being said, the movie is complete and utter dogshit. It makes pieces of shite such as “The Room” look like a masterpiece
That being said, the movie is complete and utter dogshit. It makes pieces of shite such as “The Room” look like a masterpiece
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:07 am to RoyalWe
quote:Critics say it's shitty because it's sanitized and doesn't tell the full story like it's being advertised to do as a biographical film.
All of the actual reviews say it’s a shitty movie.
Fans however love it for the entertainment value.
That's where the disconnect is.
So no, not ALL actual reviews say it's shitty. Just depends on who is doing the reviewing. Critics vs fans.
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 11:19 am
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:20 am to Roaad
quote:
Was the 1993 child molestation lawsuit filed by Jordan Chandler frivolous or malicious?
The classification of the 1993 Jordan Chandler lawsuit as frivolous or malicious is a subject of intense debate, with evidence supporting both perspectives regarding the civil filing and the subsequent criminal investigation.
Lol
You Google search and your Google search included your Google search in the answer.
Look up the definition of malicious lawsuit. It has a specific definition not applicable to Jackson.
Placing malicious intent in front of "lawsuit" is not the same thing as malicious lawsuit.
The same is true for frivolous.
Jackson was dead to rights in the civil trial. The burden of proof is less strict than criminal court and the testimony in civil court absolutely would be very damning in the criminal trial. Of course they settled. And claiming that a $23M payout avoids legal fees is true. But the payout after losing the civil case (again, he was dead to rights) would have been 2 to 5 times that along with a probable jail sentence. The legal fees are peanuts compared to damages.
If he was innocent, you fight that to the end. Trans Union probably also had assets under management which would have been exposed to civil litigation.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:25 am to Roaad
quote:
Settlement Demands: Before the lawsuit was filed, Evan Chandler allegedly demanded $20 million from Jackson to prevent the accusations from going public or being reported to the authorities.
Blackmail is illegal.
Explain why the Jackson team did not pursue a blackmail charge.
It also is not uncommon to sue a legal defense for breach of care/duty.
The Jackson team did not follow up with such a lawsuit after the lawyers/insurance company failed to provide adequate legal defense to protect his assets and reputation.
That legal team conveniently got the criminal case thrown out although that was not their responsibility.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:47 am to meansonny
quote:By all accounts, Mike wanted to fight this all the way. Lloyd's made a financial decision
Explain why the Jackson team did not pursue a blackmail charge.
Crazy to hear a stance that "settling means guilt"
Is that your legal opinion on all settlements, or just this one?
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 11:51 am
Posted on 4/27/26 at 11:49 am to meansonny
quote:I used google's AI
You Google search and your Google search included your Google search in the answer.
how did you not make that link?
quote:Maybe, but lots of sources call it malicious.
Look up the definition of malicious lawsuit. It has a specific definition not applicable to Jackson.
And one you says it isn't
quote:
Jackson was dead to rights in the civil trial.
Ok
Now you are just rewriting history.
I get it
You need that to be true
Sperg on, youngster
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:08 pm to Roaad
This film was directed by Antoine Fuqua, the same man who did training day. It was also written by John Logan, same dude who did gladiator and some other big time films.
I dont think he diddled the children, but I wouldnt know if it really happened.
Im watching it now at my house.
The movie is like a pipe dream and doesnt feel like it flows. Right off the bat. Its more choppy and trying to show the humble, blue collar origins of Joe Jackson while montonging through Micheals childhood quickly trying to cover a lot of ground.
I remember the other Biopic on the Jackson 5. I thought it was better. At least the father was more sinister, this makes Joe look more human. But Joe is still flying off the collar and beating Michael which is great television.
At some point, you gotta be honest, if Joe wasnt beating Michael constantly we wouldnt had the king of Pop micheal jackson.
I wonder if it shows the part where Joe Jackson was sexually violating the fans when they got backstage trying to see young michael.
I wonder if it will show any of the allegiations of Barry Gordy "touching" micheal.
Its cheesey. Also the guy who plays Michael is an indian dude.
"Let your Light shine Micheal, dont ever let anyone take that away from you, not even yourself"
I wanted to see EVH during the solo for beat it, thats an solo he cranked out in 1 take for a 6 pack of beer. Pretty Epic.
What a let down.
I dont think he diddled the children, but I wouldnt know if it really happened.
Im watching it now at my house.
The movie is like a pipe dream and doesnt feel like it flows. Right off the bat. Its more choppy and trying to show the humble, blue collar origins of Joe Jackson while montonging through Micheals childhood quickly trying to cover a lot of ground.
I remember the other Biopic on the Jackson 5. I thought it was better. At least the father was more sinister, this makes Joe look more human. But Joe is still flying off the collar and beating Michael which is great television.
At some point, you gotta be honest, if Joe wasnt beating Michael constantly we wouldnt had the king of Pop micheal jackson.
I wonder if it shows the part where Joe Jackson was sexually violating the fans when they got backstage trying to see young michael.
I wonder if it will show any of the allegiations of Barry Gordy "touching" micheal.
Its cheesey. Also the guy who plays Michael is an indian dude.
"Let your Light shine Micheal, dont ever let anyone take that away from you, not even yourself"
I wanted to see EVH during the solo for beat it, thats an solo he cranked out in 1 take for a 6 pack of beer. Pretty Epic.
What a let down.
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 4/27/26 at 9:55 pm to Sunnyvale
Them speed-running Mike's childhood was probably my least favorite part of the film
Posted on 4/28/26 at 11:37 am to pwejr88
Saw it last night and loved it. Thought they did a great job recreating the atmosphere of the 70s & 80s. Juliano Valdi and Jafaar Jackson did a great job playing Michael. It’s not an Oscar winning film but it is highly entertaining and a great trip down memory lane. It will be interesting to see how they do part 2.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 3:23 pm to pwejr88
It was really good. Maybe the best movie that I’ve seen in over a year.
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