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re: Manhunter - the original Hannibal Lecter film.

Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:06 pm to
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:06 pm to
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Manhunter - the original Hannibal Lecter film.
Decent effort for its era, but Red Dragon was and is vastly superior. It also had the obvious advantage of being a prequel, so the audience was much more primed by the material going in. Just the early scenes with Hopkins make it better than Manhunter. The hate for it here is dumb. Rain away the downvotes.
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:06 pm to
Yea it’s not bad at all. But his character was like a comic book villain and not someone you’d read about in an FBI profiler tell all book.
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
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Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:08 pm to
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The hate for it here is dumb.


My main gripe with it was Norton. I like him a lot, too. But he didn’t sell me as Graham.
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:19 pm to
John E. Douglas

If anyone is interested in reading up on this guy, John E. Douglas authored many books about profiling and serial killers that were what originally interested me in the subject. My dad was in law enforcement and did some profiling, so I had a few books from Douglas out of the old man’s collection. IIRC, Douglas was the inspiration for either Graham or Jack Crawford, but I would have to go back and look.

He would have lucid dreams of being at kill scenes. YIKES.
This post was edited on 11/3/25 at 5:21 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:53 pm to
Well isn’t there a bit of a supernatural element to him? Or maybe the sequel just appears that way?
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/3/25 at 6:17 pm to
Manhunter is clearly better than Red Dragon as most have said. To Live and Die in L.A. another Petersen classic from the 80s.
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
7214 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 6:41 pm to
There's no other movie in history that hammers home a theme like Manhunter.

Watch it and count how many references there are to seeing. Over and over and over and the blind woman with the tiger is one of the best scenes in movie history.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/3/25 at 6:50 pm to
Do you see?
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
19285 posts
Posted on 11/3/25 at 6:51 pm to
The sequel has him as a supernatural type character. He’s just an a-hole in Colorado in the original although there is a supernatural element in that film.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:11 pm to
Yea liked that one too but man some of it is wild
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 11/3/25 at 8:58 pm to
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Madking
To Live and Die in L.A. another Petersen classic from the 80s




If you would have told a film fan in 1986 that William Peterson would be the biggest star in Hollywood by 1990, everyone would have believed you. Manhunter and To Live and Die, back to back... Wow. But really, that was basically it.

Kind of amazing Peterson didn't become a mega star. He was like a combination of Tom Cruise and Matthew McCoughnehey, but with the darkness and intensity of a young Al Pacino.

I guess he just got some really bad advice, and by 1990 was doing fricking Young Guns II, and not Rain Man or Goodfellas. Kind amazing, because he would have worked both of those parts. Goes to show how a great agent/mentor really can be help make a star.

Also, can we just mention Michael Mann's 80a run:

Thief
Miami Vice
Manhunter
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/3/25 at 9:15 pm to
It's awesome. Def my favorite hannibal movie
Posted by nealnan8
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 11/4/25 at 6:46 am to
There are two scenes in the movie that were absolutely perfect.
1. Lounds come rolling down the parking garage in a wheel chair on fire. So good that it was reproduced without much change on the remake.
2. The final scene when Graham goes crashing through the window to kill Dolarhyde, with Inna Ghada Davida playing.
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
19285 posts
Posted on 11/4/25 at 6:54 am to
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with Inna Ghada Davida playing.


Mann put that song there because of research he had done on an actual serial killer that had stated that song was a special tune that bonded he and a particular victim. I also love the symbolism behind what that song really means… “in the garden of Eden…”
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:21 am to
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Just goes to show you how much Red Dragon was a studio eunuch compared to this movie. Bland beyond belief trying to revive nostalgia from a movie a decade prior. A perfect Brett Ratner product that's completely hollow and derivative.

i like Red Dragon. i think Norton was sort of forced into the role at the time because he was so red hot, but he still did an ok job. Fiennes was solid. Philip Seymor Hoffman played the scummy tabloid guy perfectly.

but yeah it was definitely overproduced - it's almost too "clean"
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
67594 posts
Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:26 am to
It was a very entertaining movie. My wife and I loved it, and Brian Cox was
greatin a performance that was more nuanced than Anthony Hopkins in
Silence of the Lambs…
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
19285 posts
Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:35 am to
I read in an interview that Cox said he did the part with a slight Scottish accent based on a serial killer from Scotland named Peter Manuel. He also auditioned with his back turned to the casting agents to focus on the power of his voice.

I figure they went with Hopkins in Silence due to the creep aspect of his accent. Cold blooded.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467164 posts
Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:40 am to
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i like Red Dragon. i think Norton was sort of forced into the role at the time because he was so red hot, but he still did an ok job. Fiennes was solid. Philip Seymor Hoffman played the scummy tabloid guy perfectly.

but yeah it was definitely overproduced - it's almost too "clean"


Yeah it's fine in terms of production values and they did have some good actors, but it's just the most bland and uninspired overall package.

It's more of a "imagine what this story and these actors could have done without studio influence and Fincher/DV directing" comparison.
This post was edited on 11/4/25 at 8:42 am
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
41072 posts
Posted on 11/4/25 at 10:04 am to
I left the theater and went to Sound Warehouse to buy the score. One of my favorites.
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
19285 posts
Posted on 11/4/25 at 10:12 am to
Nice! I played the soundtrack on Spotify in our work conference room yesterday haha.
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