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re: Manhunter - the original Hannibal Lecter film.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:06 pm to Honest Tune
Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:06 pm to Honest Tune
quote:Decent effort for its era, but Red Dragon was and is vastly superior. It also had the obvious advantage of being a prequel, so the audience was much more primed by the material going in. Just the early scenes with Hopkins make it better than Manhunter. The hate for it here is dumb. Rain away the downvotes.
Manhunter - the original Hannibal Lecter film.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:06 pm to Madking
Yea it’s not bad at all. But his character was like a comic book villain and not someone you’d read about in an FBI profiler tell all book.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:08 pm to Big Scrub TX
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The hate for it here is dumb.
My main gripe with it was Norton. I like him a lot, too. But he didn’t sell me as Graham.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:19 pm to Honest Tune
John E. Douglas
If anyone is interested in reading up on this guy, John E. Douglas authored many books about profiling and serial killers that were what originally interested me in the subject. My dad was in law enforcement and did some profiling, so I had a few books from Douglas out of the old man’s collection. IIRC, Douglas was the inspiration for either Graham or Jack Crawford, but I would have to go back and look.
He would have lucid dreams of being at kill scenes. YIKES.
If anyone is interested in reading up on this guy, John E. Douglas authored many books about profiling and serial killers that were what originally interested me in the subject. My dad was in law enforcement and did some profiling, so I had a few books from Douglas out of the old man’s collection. IIRC, Douglas was the inspiration for either Graham or Jack Crawford, but I would have to go back and look.
He would have lucid dreams of being at kill scenes. YIKES.
This post was edited on 11/3/25 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:53 pm to Honest Tune
Well isn’t there a bit of a supernatural element to him? Or maybe the sequel just appears that way?
Posted on 11/3/25 at 6:17 pm to Madking
Manhunter is clearly better than Red Dragon as most have said. To Live and Die in L.A. another Petersen classic from the 80s.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 6:41 pm to rebelrouser
There's no other movie in history that hammers home a theme like Manhunter.
Watch it and count how many references there are to seeing. Over and over and over and the blind woman with the tiger is one of the best scenes in movie history.
Watch it and count how many references there are to seeing. Over and over and over and the blind woman with the tiger is one of the best scenes in movie history.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 6:51 pm to Madking
The sequel has him as a supernatural type character. He’s just an a-hole in Colorado in the original although there is a supernatural element in that film.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 7:11 pm to rebelrouser
Yea liked that one too but man some of it is wild
Posted on 11/3/25 at 8:58 pm to rebelrouser
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Madking
To Live and Die in L.A. another Petersen classic from the 80s
If you would have told a film fan in 1986 that William Peterson would be the biggest star in Hollywood by 1990, everyone would have believed you. Manhunter and To Live and Die, back to back... Wow. But really, that was basically it.
Kind of amazing Peterson didn't become a mega star. He was like a combination of Tom Cruise and Matthew McCoughnehey, but with the darkness and intensity of a young Al Pacino.
I guess he just got some really bad advice, and by 1990 was doing fricking Young Guns II, and not Rain Man or Goodfellas. Kind amazing, because he would have worked both of those parts. Goes to show how a great agent/mentor really can be help make a star.
Also, can we just mention Michael Mann's 80a run:
Thief
Miami Vice
Manhunter
Posted on 11/3/25 at 9:15 pm to Honest Tune
It's awesome. Def my favorite hannibal movie
Posted on 11/4/25 at 6:46 am to Honest Tune
There are two scenes in the movie that were absolutely perfect.
1. Lounds come rolling down the parking garage in a wheel chair on fire. So good that it was reproduced without much change on the remake.
2. The final scene when Graham goes crashing through the window to kill Dolarhyde, with Inna Ghada Davida playing.
1. Lounds come rolling down the parking garage in a wheel chair on fire. So good that it was reproduced without much change on the remake.
2. The final scene when Graham goes crashing through the window to kill Dolarhyde, with Inna Ghada Davida playing.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 6:54 am to nealnan8
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with Inna Ghada Davida playing.
Mann put that song there because of research he had done on an actual serial killer that had stated that song was a special tune that bonded he and a particular victim. I also love the symbolism behind what that song really means… “in the garden of Eden…”
Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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Just goes to show you how much Red Dragon was a studio eunuch compared to this movie. Bland beyond belief trying to revive nostalgia from a movie a decade prior. A perfect Brett Ratner product that's completely hollow and derivative.
i like Red Dragon. i think Norton was sort of forced into the role at the time because he was so red hot, but he still did an ok job. Fiennes was solid. Philip Seymor Hoffman played the scummy tabloid guy perfectly.
but yeah it was definitely overproduced - it's almost too "clean"
Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:26 am to Honest Tune
It was a very entertaining movie. My wife and I loved it, and Brian Cox was
greatin a performance that was more nuanced than Anthony Hopkins in
Silence of the Lambs…
greatin a performance that was more nuanced than Anthony Hopkins in
Silence of the Lambs…
Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:35 am to VOR
I read in an interview that Cox said he did the part with a slight Scottish accent based on a serial killer from Scotland named Peter Manuel. He also auditioned with his back turned to the casting agents to focus on the power of his voice.
I figure they went with Hopkins in Silence due to the creep aspect of his accent. Cold blooded.
I figure they went with Hopkins in Silence due to the creep aspect of his accent. Cold blooded.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:40 am to Sam Quint
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i like Red Dragon. i think Norton was sort of forced into the role at the time because he was so red hot, but he still did an ok job. Fiennes was solid. Philip Seymor Hoffman played the scummy tabloid guy perfectly.
but yeah it was definitely overproduced - it's almost too "clean"
Yeah it's fine in terms of production values and they did have some good actors, but it's just the most bland and uninspired overall package.
It's more of a "imagine what this story and these actors could have done without studio influence and Fincher/DV directing" comparison.
This post was edited on 11/4/25 at 8:42 am
Posted on 11/4/25 at 10:04 am to Honest Tune
I left the theater and went to Sound Warehouse to buy the score. One of my favorites.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 10:12 am to TigerMyth36
Nice! I played the soundtrack on Spotify in our work conference room yesterday haha.
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