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re: Mad Men Series Finale - "Person to Person"
Posted on 5/18/15 at 1:29 pm to DallasTiger11
Posted on 5/18/15 at 1:29 pm to DallasTiger11
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One thing I'm a bit disappointed about today is some of the interpretations to the ending that I've read across the internet. Obviously the ending is a bit ambiguous so that is to be expected, but there is so much focus on the Coke ad and what it meant for Don and not much focus on the transformation that occurred in the five minutes leading up to the ad.
I've seen a lot of interpretation that the entire thing was a superficial way to give Don another great idea, but I don't see it. Don made the most human connection he had ever made on Mad Men with Leonard. I firmly believe he was going to kill himself before he walked into that room and heard him speak. What clicked in his mind wasn't an advertisement. I think he truly understood love and what it means to be loved and finally accepted himself as who he is. He in turn used that experience to return to New York and create the ad. We can fill in the blanks on how it happened, but I don't think the entire retreat experience was just Don coming up with his next idea. A legitimate transformation occurred there.
The ambiguous part would be if it stuck or not. We do know he went back to McCann and ultimately used his experience to create the ad. We don't know if the transformation was permanent.
I also think it makes sense to consider the possibility that Don didn't view the ad in a cynical way (like the "toasted" cigarette spiel). I'd like to think he perhaps legitimately saw Coke as bringing the world together and gave in to a bit of sentiment himself. You could actually view it as him becoming fully "human" (like the rest of humanity which he had been so detached from) and thus capable of being moved by something, even if it were just a corporate marketing strategy. This would be a noteworthy transformation in and of itself.
Just because ad men are good at tapping into human emotions and plumbing them for dollars doesn't mean those humans don't actually have those emotions. You try to tell a 17 year old in 1969 who got laid because of how badass his new Mustang was that it wasn't "real". And see how he feels about it today looking back on it.
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Posted on 5/18/15 at 1:34 pm to JBeam
I agree with a lot of people on here in thinking the ending sucked at the time, but after some reflection I think it was brilliant. I think it's obvious that he did the commercial and not sure there really is a valid argument against that unless you're just playing devil's advocate.
The moment with fridge guy was the most real moment Don had with himself all series. Some say they don't like how important that new character was but I think someone Don didn't know at all would be the person that hit home with him. Afterall, most every person Don got to know got screwed or conned in some way by him. Think it was brilliant that a complete stranger related to Don in that moment moreso than anyone else.
Joan story was blah to me. Peggy kind of annoyed me all series so her ending was blah as well.
Glad to see Pete win back his family and Roger find some semblance of happiness.
On side note and always wondered how much product placement money the show made during the entire season? It's got to be a ton I would guess.
The moment with fridge guy was the most real moment Don had with himself all series. Some say they don't like how important that new character was but I think someone Don didn't know at all would be the person that hit home with him. Afterall, most every person Don got to know got screwed or conned in some way by him. Think it was brilliant that a complete stranger related to Don in that moment moreso than anyone else.
Joan story was blah to me. Peggy kind of annoyed me all series so her ending was blah as well.
Glad to see Pete win back his family and Roger find some semblance of happiness.
On side note and always wondered how much product placement money the show made during the entire season? It's got to be a ton I would guess.
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 5/18/15 at 1:35 pm to FairhopeTider
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Role of a lifetime for the guy playing Leonard
Sadly, when he appeared, all I could think of was that he played "Doozler," on Just the Ten of Us.
Christ. I wish I didn't know that.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 1:37 pm to Big Scrub TX
Yep. The old saying is your best work is what you believe in. This was Don's best work because he truly believed it.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 1:42 pm to Big Scrub TX
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We do know he went back to McCann and ultimately used his experience to create the ad.
We do?
Posted on 5/18/15 at 1:46 pm to Dignan
We do
Posted on 5/18/15 at 1:59 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Who rigs every oscar night?
Posted on 5/18/15 at 2:03 pm to JBeam
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esting. Well I guess Pete really did do the right thing.
I really thought Duck was gonna screw him over.
Did I miss the actual offer from Lear?
I thought it went from Duck in Pete's room to Pete telling it to Trudy. Was there something in between?
Posted on 5/18/15 at 2:04 pm to N2cars
Now thats it over where does it land in the GOAT category?
Separate thread?
Separate thread?
Posted on 5/18/15 at 2:07 pm to N2cars
No, all we know is what Duck told him.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 2:07 pm to DallasTiger11
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One thing I'm a bit disappointed about today is some of the interpretations to the ending that I've read across the internet. Obviously the ending is a bit ambiguous so that is to be expected, but there is so much focus on the Coke ad and what it meant for Don and not much focus on the transformation that occurred in the five minutes leading up to the ad.
I need to go back and watch that part again. As I watched it last night, I didn't give it the proper attention because I was too busy yelling "We've got 5 minutes of Mad Men left and we're wasting it on this Leonard guy!!!" I wanted to see Don's character get some closure and the clock was ticking. Goes to show you that even a big Mad Men fan, like myself, needs to remember how brilliant it is.
The more and more I think about the ending, the more and more I love it. Just a perfect & clever way to give closure while also leaving some room for imagination from the viewers. No doubt that as we continue to digest the last few minutes and last few shows, we'll see more connections and the layers that were developed. Right now, its just easy to say "Don Draper found peace and from that moment, he returned to NYC where he created one of the best ads of all time."
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 5/18/15 at 2:08 pm to STLhog
It is easily in my top 3 with Lost and The Wire. No point trying to rank those three as they are all so different.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 2:21 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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No, all we know is what Duck told him.
True, that's all WE know.
But we also know that this final episode occurred weeks (months?) after the previous episode and, in that time, Pete would have had a contract and other paperwork to sign with the new company.
So the fact that the first moment of Pete's first appearance in this episode was smiling and happy told me all I needed to know that the offer (and results) were genuine. Otherwise Pete would have been crushed.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 2:21 pm to N2cars
I'll never trust Duck. But it seems like Pete actually landed in a good situation.
Again, the one character I really feel sorry for is Sally Draper.
Again, the one character I really feel sorry for is Sally Draper.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 2:24 pm to JBeam
Posted on 5/18/15 at 2:32 pm to DallasTiger11
Don clearly got shot
Posted on 5/18/15 at 2:34 pm to Clockwatcher68
Found this over on IMDB.com:
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It's possible Don gave the Coke concept...
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Remember that season 1 episode 1 began on Peggy's first day; the series is almost as much about her journey with Don as her mentor, as Don's journey. It's possible that he gave her the pitch for the Coke commercial, as a way of passing the torch, and helping fulfill her dream of creating something lasting. If Don went back to work at McCann Erickson, he'd have to submit to Jim Hobart, which doesn't seem likely, and doesn't fit with the white whale reference, either. It's fantastic to think of Peggy becoming so valuable, especially since she doesn't have a contract and could now pretty much write her own ticket with the Coke commercial under her belt.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 2:36 pm to JBeam
It's possible, but I don't really think they gave much indication that that happened. I think Peggy's happy ending was that she finally might have found a happy balance between work and a personal life. I think if that were the case, they might have added one last phone call with Peggy. Luckily, if someone wants to believe that is what happened, the ending is open enough for them to take it that way.
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 5/18/15 at 2:39 pm to FairhopeTider
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I need to go back and watch that part again. As I watched it last night, I didn't give it the proper attention because I was too busy yelling "We've got 5 minutes of Mad Men left and we're wasting it on this Leonard guy!!!" I wanted to see Don's character get some closure and the clock was ticking. Goes to show you that even a big Mad Men fan, like myself, needs to remember how brilliant it is.
The more and more I think about the ending, the more and more I love it. Just a perfect & clever way to give closure while also leave some room for imagination from the viewers. No doubt that as we continue digest the last few minutes and last few shows, we'll see more connections and the layers that were developed. Right now, its just easy to say "Don Draper found peace and from that moment, he returned to NYC where he created one of the best ads of all time."
All of this. I was shitting a brick last night fuming so much I wasn't even paying attention anymore. After sleeping on the finale, and rewatching it, it was perfect. Don was Don, and did what Don does last night.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 2:42 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Peggy ended up with a guy who not only supported her career but understood and valued her success more than Peggy herself did.
The enormity of this is shown by the contrast of Joan having the best 1970 body outside of Playboy and her boyfriend dumps her because she insists on having a career.
Add to that the fact that Peggy has the respect of Don and Pete, the two people from whom she craved attention and approval.
Peggy won. Out of all of the characters that set out from episode one, Peggy is the person who won.
The enormity of this is shown by the contrast of Joan having the best 1970 body outside of Playboy and her boyfriend dumps her because she insists on having a career.
Add to that the fact that Peggy has the respect of Don and Pete, the two people from whom she craved attention and approval.
Peggy won. Out of all of the characters that set out from episode one, Peggy is the person who won.
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