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re: LOST "The End" S6.E17&18

Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:29 pm to
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:29 pm to
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He was born, and then he and Claire were at the church. I know there's no real "time" in that universe, because some people die before others, but that's why he was an infant. At least that's what I saw it as.


I think the issue is that it is messed up that Aaron goes to heaven as a newborn. Is that how Aaron will spend eternity?

Not a big deal to me. I think that is the losties heaven and they all share the same one. One in which Aaron exists as a baby. Aaron probably has his own heaven.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32716 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:30 pm to
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Right. Everyone else said we were wrong: cue the repetitive arguments.


Didn't Matthew Fox say on Kimmel that the Island events were real and actually happened in the story? If so, shouldn't that settle the issue of whether they all died on the 815 crash?
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49395 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:30 pm to
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So you're saying Walt was there too? He was a child actor. They just left him out. Aaron was included as an infant because that is when they all knew each other.


Walt is a huge mystery.

I would love to know if there was a problem with getting the actor for the finale, because that is just absurd that he was left out.

Michael is explainable.

quote:

Sun's baby was in her womb, as it was during the island time.


Just as Jack remembers.

Again, there are pieces that don't fit when you try to use everyone's recollection, but everything fits when you only use Jack's.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38656 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:30 pm to
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I also don't know why Miles remained alive. Lapidus had to fly the plane, but Miles was a pretty minor character in terms of importance.


Hey hey hey, hold on now. Let's not kick a man when he's down. Dude is still in purgatory.








This is why I'm so mad.
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 1:33 pm
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29897 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:31 pm to
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Someone earlier said that Jack met Nadia. I don't remember this. I don't think Jack ever saw Nadia.


I believe Nadia was at the Oceanic Six press conference.
Posted by manwich
You've wanted my
Member since Oct 2008
52835 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:32 pm to
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Just as Jack remembers.

Just as they all remember when they were together. not just jack. not just kate. all of them
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38656 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:32 pm to
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Didn't Matthew Fox say on Kimmel that the Island events were real and actually happened in the story? If so, shouldn't that settle the issue of whether they all died on the 815 crash?


Posted by manwich
You've wanted my
Member since Oct 2008
52835 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:32 pm to
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Walt is a huge mystery.
not interested
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29897 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:32 pm to
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Just as Jack remembers.


Jack remembers that the baby was born. They lived off the island for three years.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476370 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:33 pm to
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If it was Jack's Perspective, then why all the effort to get everyone to a concert that Jack didn't even attend nor did they try to get Jack to attend i

that's kind of like asking how total recall can be a dream or a hallucination/implant

i don't dismiss your theory, but lyrically and narratively, it works better as jack's perspective
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38656 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:33 pm to
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not interested


Yeah, I have come to acceptance about Walt.
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
27046 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:33 pm to
I think it's obvious they threw in the wreckage to show everyone died. They just spent the whole episode trying to throw us off, then only showed the truth during the credits. The way it went was they were all in a plane crash and died, then the others (who were already dead) go look for survivors. Some people from the crash died twice so they appear dead on the island, but others only died one and a half times so they are just dead and wounded. Then Claire delivers a
baby ( a zombie baby) who Rousseau tries to steal because the others stole her dead baby. Hurley can see people that died and then died again after they were already dead. When people die the second time the go to another level of purgatory as seen through jacks eyes. Jack knows what the other people think and do because claires baby is still an infant in the second purgatory and Jack saw 3 year old Aaron but liked the younger one better.

Seriously I don't know how people come up with this stuff about everyone dying in the crash and the purgatory being jacks perspective when they show what everyone remembers and scenes where Jack isn't around
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49395 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:33 pm to
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I believe Nadia was at the Oceanic Six press conference.


Yeah, but didn't Sayid meet her in the back of the building, no where near Jack?
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29897 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:34 pm to
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Again, there are pieces that don't fit when you try to use everyone's recollection, but everything fits when you only use Jack's.


What doesn't fit if you use everyone's recollection.

We have shown several things that don't fit if you use just Jack's recollection.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476370 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:34 pm to
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I think it's obvious they threw in the wreckage to show everyone died

here we go again
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49395 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:35 pm to
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Jack remembers that the baby was born. They lived off the island for three years


Jack never saw the Kwon baby.

Sun, Kate, and Hurley all saw the Kwon baby (and Jin on a photograph).
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38656 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

Seriously I don't know how people come up with this stuff about everyone dying in the crash and the purgatory being jacks perspective when they show what everyone remembers and scenes where Jack isn't around



Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61451 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:35 pm to
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I think it's obvious they threw in the wreckage to show everyone died.


if they had showed it before the credits started, i'd say i agree

but i think the series ended when lost flashed on the screen

others have said this and i completely agree with them
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29897 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

I think it's obvious they threw in the wreckage to show everyone died. They just spent the whole episode trying to throw us off, then only showed the truth during the credits. The way it went was they were all in a plane crash and died, then the others (who were already dead) go look for survivors. Some people from the crash died twice so they appear dead on the island, but others only died one and a half times so they are just dead and wounded. Then Claire delivers a
baby ( a zombie baby) who Rousseau tries to steal because the others stole her dead baby. Hurley can see people that died and then died again after they were already dead. When people die the second time the go to another level of purgatory as seen through jacks eyes. Jack knows what the other people think and do because claires baby is still an infant in the second purgatory and Jack saw 3 year old Aaron but liked the younger one better.

Seriously I don't know how people come up with this stuff about everyone dying in the crash and the purgatory being jacks perspective when they show what everyone remembers and scenes where Jack isn't around


At first I was like

and then I was like
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49395 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:37 pm to
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What doesn't fit if you use everyone's recollection.


No Kwon baby

No Sayid and Nadia

Kate, Sawyer, etc. all appearing as they did on the island.

quote:

We have shown several things that don't fit if you use just Jack's recollection.


I haven't seen one other than Aaron, which is obviously due to the age of the child actor.
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