re: LOST "The End" S6.E17&18

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Instead they chose an iconic piece of scenery/set, and let everyone take a breath and reflect.

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It's really that simple. I don't know why we are still discussing it.

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She was clearly the love of his life, not Shannon.

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That's an assumption

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You have to remember, he married Nadia AFTER he left the island.

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He was never supposed to leave the Island though...at least until a new successor was chosen from the candidates.

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It was weak writing to just have Shannon in the church at the end.

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It was for closure. I'm glad she was in the finale.

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Yeah, I don't get the critique of me.

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Since 10:36 p.m. last night:

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I guess they are letting it be interpreted either way.



But why would those people care about each other, if they never "lived" together on the island. Reading it like that doesn't make any sense.

Of course...


/flamesuit



This could just be bad writing. Par for the course.

/endflamesuit

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But showing the crash at the end was an odd, stupid red herring move then.

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Yes. It was a giant "F-You" to the fans.

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Then don't show it. Simple as that. Make it a bonus on the DVD.

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I am satisfied, but I say that hesitantly. I still think the creators and writers treated the fans like shite. I'm glad it ended with a definitive ending though.

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They weren't superfluous until the writers made them that way. They WERE good characters at one point.



Why make them human??!? That was stupid. Stupid.

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Oh yeah, then totally. Completely pointless characters.

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Exactly. That's why the crash was a big "F-You."

The creators are d-bags. That was apparent from the interview, especially Cuse.

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Yes. They knew nothing else. That much is clear.

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WHICH IS ALL CAUSED BY THE SHOT OF THE CRASH!

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No they weren't. Don't re-show the crash. It's that simple. That's what is causing the problem. And they knew it would.

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And the problem is the plane crash scene at the end. One....little....scene.

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Yup. It was a dick move. Big time.

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Which is a cheap move

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That was a show that exceeded expectations in the end. It was the most complete finale I have ever seen. And tied together everything the show had done before.


But I'm sure they had a plan all along.

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Yup. Losties won't admit it, but Cuse and Lidelhof are laughing.

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I admit I liked the episode. But that final scene during the credits really got to me. Without that, I would be happier. With it, I'm just mad. It was an obvious "F-You."

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I get it, I do. But the plane crash at the end makes me think otherwise.

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It's buried under mountains of crap though, including the final shot of the plane crash. That's what keeps it from being great. What could have been a modern myth, through this generation's most important medium, ends up wasted. That's what is sad.

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I don't think anyone thinks Lapidus' plane crashes, you guys have that wrong. We are saying the plane crash at the end is the plane crash from the very first episode, and that alludes to "everyone died on the plane. There was no real island."

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We are saying that the WRECKAGE during the credits is that of Oceanic 815.

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What ticks us off is the CONSCIOUS decision by Cuse and Lidelhof to muddy the ending. That's the biggest problem for me.

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But it is, and plenty enough evidence supports that.

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Note here that you still have yet to give what that evidence is...

And frankly, I'm tired of clicking posts now...but that is enough to kinda back up what I was saying. And if I did the same thing to SFP, it would be even more posts, and even more repeating of exact sentiments.

Also, you did, at one point say something about how you and your "crew" were being mocked by others, when throughout the thread, you've taken the stance of them being "'Losties' with their precious 'Lost' that could never be wrong...blah blah."

IMO, that's why some have said that ya'll come off as being somewhat "holier than thou" throughout the thread.

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I remember reading an article about the show which mentioned the disdain the suits at ABC had for the concept. They were sure it would fail

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They were concerned about the investment people would have to make in the show. Viewers would not be able to miss a few weeks and then jump right back in, like Wifeswap or any of the other crap thats on T.V. right now.

They thought the show would fall of quickly because one missed week meant one lost viewer.

I'm actually kind of surprised it did as well as it did. Most people don't have the patience or attention span to invest 121 hours in a show.

I posted my thoughts in another thread but I'll post them in this one as well :

I enjoyed the show overall. In fact, I loved it. And I loved the finale. My biggest and only complaint is that since they went the whole "island is real" bit and everything that happened, happened...they left a lot to be desired in that they didn't answer many questions about the island itself. But honestly, I'm ok with that - Simply bc how do you expalin a movable island that holds a ton of electromagnetic energy and houses special occupants who have lived over 150 years? You can't. And those that were expecting an explanation would have been let down in any attempt to explain such a thing

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Ok, think about it like this: Give me one scene/event, involving, your choice, Jacob or MIB and one other character, and I'll give you a rough idea of how you remove Jacob/MIB from the story.

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This is exactly what I am talking about...you seem to be approaching Lost from a writer's standpoint, and nitpicking it to death about how they could have made the story better.

I don't think anybody in here will say that the story couldn't have been better. But the bottom line is that we have no control over that, and thus, can only see what the Lost people give us. It again harks back to the taking it personally approach...you seem to be almost offended that the writers of Lost would DARE write some of the episodes they wrote.

Just like some people are pissed about Across the Sea. Well, everybody was dying for a backstory on Jacob/MIB/the island, so they did an episode on it. And then everyone was pissed off about their explanation of it. It's like I said earlier (and someone said it before me), they gave us tons of answers. The problems arose because people weren't happy with those answers. I agree with whomever said earlier that the island was likely better when it was a mystery. But when it was, people bitched about more answers to it. Then, when they gave answers to it, people bitched because the answers weren't to their liking. It was a no-win situation for the Lost creators.

And still is apparently. But I do think that the masses were satisfied/happy with the ending. I know I was.

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You really want to argue that Nadia wasn't the love of his life, when he only mentioned her in about 40 episodes but was in love with Shannon in like 1 episode.

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If they really wanted to Nadia to be the love of his life, we would have seen them together at the end. It's their story. They chose to highlight the love connection made on the Island. I'm fine with that.

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Your own words damn you.

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And your lack of reading comprehension damns you.

Sayid was haunted by Nadia . . . that is why he was broken and why he was brought to the island.

He learned to let Nadia go. He loved Nadia, he loved Shannon. Nadia was not a part of the island. She never visited the island, never saw the island. She had moved on. Sayid had not, neither had Shannon.

It doesn't mean he loved Shannon more, just that he loved her and was glad to spend time with her again.

Cokes

Couldn't disagree more. How are we holier than thou when we DID NOT SAY ANYONE WAS 100% WRONG?

They are the ones being holier than thou getting their panties in a bunch over the mere idea there could be an alternative.

Once again, neither of us has said the show sucked. We both said we liked it and simply mentioning possible alternatives and the Lostiacs get their panties in a bunch.

They are the ones that try to elevate the show to the level of...

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She was dead so she should have been in the timeless waiting room with him.

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Jack's perspective.