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re: LOST "The End" S6.E17&18
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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almost none were
You'd be surprised. If anything, I think they tried to explain too much.
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Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:18 pm to Gugich22
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desmond hitting locke led to jack operating on him, and thus jack and locke "remembering"
oh, right, totally necessary.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:18 pm to Catfish John
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o when the writers say they knew the ending did they just mean jack closing his eyes.
Yes. They knew nothing else. That much is clear.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:18 pm to Cajun Revolution
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You have to sit through 30 torturous minutes of Hawthorne to get to the good stuff...common LOST theme.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:19 pm to Freauxzen
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think a lot of you missed the point. Everyone was dead by the time the plane crashed. There were no survivors of Oceanic 815. The most important times of their lives were spent together on the island, which was a venue upon which they could right their wrongs. Purgatory, if you will. The last shot of the show was not a red herring at all.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:19 pm to Antonio Moss
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I hate to bring this up, but . . .
What the frick happened to Desmond on the island?
Sawyer, Kate, Claire, Lapidus, Miles, and Richard get off.
Jack dies.
Hurley and Ben stay to protect the island.
Desmond????
went back to be with his wife, then probably lived out their life and died then went to the flash sideways
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:19 pm to noonan
So how fricked up is it that Desmond is now stuck on the island after he had been reunited with Penny and promised her he would never leave her again?
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:19 pm to Freauxzen
I don't agree with the purgatory/afterlife explanation. It felt to me that the experiences on the island were a preparation for those who were in the church to proceed to their lives. It seemed to me that the whole point was the experiences with people/the journey are more important than the destination. They were not all dead and waiting to pass to afterlife imo. christian appearing to jack in the church was more to lay jacks daddy issues to rest and remind him what is really important, the time you have with others.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:19 pm to Antonio Moss
Hurley was to take care of him...who knows what happened to him - he could have healed and spent his remaining time on the island or hurley could have sent him home
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:20 pm to FredSecunda
quote:Which would make the alt-timeline what, a sideways purgatory?
I think a lot of you missed the point. Everyone was dead by the time the plane crashed. There were no survivors of Oceanic 815. The most important times of their lives were spent together on the island, which was a venue upon which they could right their wrongs. Purgatory, if you will.
The last shot of the show was not a red herring at all.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:21 pm to The Eric
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what happens if you die in the alternate... ala Keamy...
rinse and repeat
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:21 pm to Freauxzen
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It was an "exclusive" purgatory. "They" made it.
I dont know if they meant that the losties specifically made it or that purgatory is a means for anyone (this group as an example) to move on with those who are your most loved/best memories/best part of your life. If this is what you were implying then I apologize.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:21 pm to Catfish John
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so when the writers say they knew the ending did they just mean jack closing his eyes.
Which I'm not even sure is true because I believe Jack was originally intended to die in the first episode when they were trying to get Michael Keaton to guest star. Seriously... look it up.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:21 pm to FredSecunda
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FredSecunda
I'll take you one step further...
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New theory:
The entire show was Jack's acceptance of death. Slo is right the after-crash never happened.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:21 pm to Gugich22
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hurley could have sent him home
This, that was the whole point of Ben telling Hurley that no one leaving was a Jacob rule.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:21 pm to Fleur De Lethal
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LOST "The End" S6.E17&18
So i guess the basic summary of the episode is as follows:
There was no split timeline. Jack died on the island. Kate, Sawyer, Lupidus, Miles all flew the jet off the island and lived their lives after they got back to civilization. Hurley served as protector of the island, and Ben served as his aide. When they all died at their various times, they then went to "purgatory" which we know as sideways world. When they were "ready" in "purgatory" they realized what had happened and were ready to move on. So they all did. No telling how long that took. Remember, "There is no now here, Jack" per Christian.
Christian says the time Jack spent with them was the "most important time of his life."
Kate says "I've missed you" because she presumably lived without Jack for a time after leaving the island.
Hurley tells Ben he was a great number 2 because they actually served on the island in the real world for a time.
Ben tells Locke he doesn't need the wheelchair. He didn't need the wheelchair (or PT to learn to walk) because it wasn't real.
Ben tells Hurley he's not ready yet because he's got "more stuff to work out" before he can move on. This is a traditional purgatory motif. Similarly, Ana Lucia and Daniel Farraday are not ready to move on.
Farraday's mom asks Desmond if he is taking Daniel along. His response: I'm not taking him.
Conclusion: The island was real; sidewaysville was "purgatory".
i'm haven't read but two or three posts i'll go back and read 47 pages tomorrow but i agree with the above.
whatever happened...happened on the island timeline. the alt was just the purgatory/holding area.
and i don't think the scenes during credits was anything other than a tribute to how far they've come. either way i really enjoyed it and am sad to see it end.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:21 pm to Gugich22
Doesn't the baby Aaron prove they died in the crash and no baby for Jin and Sun?
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:22 pm to Crede15
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yes that was the most predictable moment in TV history.
Who gives a frick?
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:22 pm to Beastwood
The amazing thing about this show is it was totally a make it up as they went along job, they drummed up all these little and big mysteries and a shocking amount of things were never answered, it was just generally incoherent as hell, and it was STILL a pretty good show.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:22 pm to Beastwood
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Which would make the alt-timeline what, a sideways purgatory?
it makes it a creation the writers used to get around saying the island wasn't purgatory
they created a mechanism for them to unfold the storyline the show was initially created to go within, yet they got scared of when people figured it out quickly (and in response, they denied)
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