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Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:44 pm to OMLandshark
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if they listened to Jack, it wouldn't have happened. Sawyer was the person who did that.
I know, but Josh originally made the point that MIB allowing the candidates to get on the plane and start would be "killing them." I was simply pointing out that MIB took a greater positive action in putting the bomb in Jack's backpack and trying to trick them into pulling the wires. The explosion happened so it seems that he can take positive action so long as the candidates have some type of choice that can prevent it.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:48 pm to Uncle Stu
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5. MIB keeps "winning" in the sense that he gets the candidates to die off
I understand what you're saying here, but my brain is trying to process so much I have a question that is probably pretty simple. Going by your rules that you mentioned, what would happen if MIB didn't "win" and Jacob did? I figured that up to this point Jacob is the one that is always "winning", because his main goal of keeping MIB on the island is still accomplished. Wouldn't MIB only win one time, which is when he finally escapes the island?
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:53 pm to WG_Dawg
I don't know if this has been discussed, but in flash sideways timeline in the episode "Recon" Sawyer was calling #s listed for Anthony Cooper and last # he dialed, before Miles interrupted him, sounded a lot like the Anthony Cooper (Locke's dad).
Did anyone else notice this? Is this an overlooked error?
Did anyone else notice this? Is this an overlooked error?
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:55 pm to Antonio Moss
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You brought them here, Jacob. Your still trying to prove me wrong aren't you? They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt, IT ENDS THE SAME EVERY TIME.
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This is my theory;
The 'backgammon' game ends the same way each time maybe? White leads off(brings them on the island), the pieces(people brought to the island) choose sides and are taken off the board.
This time though, Jacob is dead and MIB has the first real chance to win(leave the island).
You brought them here, Jacob. Your still trying to prove me wrong aren't you? They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt, IT ENDS THE SAME EVERY TIME.
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This is my theory;
The 'backgammon' game ends the same way each time maybe? White leads off(brings them on the island), the pieces(people brought to the island) choose sides and are taken off the board.
quote:White(Jacob) wins every time.
IT ENDS THE SAME EVERY TIME.
This time though, Jacob is dead and MIB has the first real chance to win(leave the island).
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:56 pm to WG_Dawg
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what would happen if MIB didn't "win" and Jacob did?
MIB would be trapped on the island forever.
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I figured that up to this point Jacob is the one that is always "winning", because his main goal of keeping MIB on the island is still accomplished.
We don't know this.
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Wouldn't MIB only win one time, which is when he finally escapes the island?
It depends on how you look at it. According to MIB, he's been right several times in the past.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:58 pm to LSU2NO
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White(Jacob) wins every time.
This time though, Jacob is dead and MIB has the first real chance to win(leave the island).
Except that MIB is the one saying:
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You brought them here, Jacob. Your still trying to prove me wrong aren't you? They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt, IT ENDS THE SAME EVERY TIME.
That doesn't sound like he's describing a Jacob victory.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 2:00 pm to Tiger Ryno
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I don't believe any who died by MIB's hand were still candidates. Sayid was crossed off wasn't he? We know only one Kwon died (Sun) because of the bomb. Jin chose to die with her, he wasn't killed. Lapidus was not a candidate.
Best post so far on the subject. May not be right, but good thought.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 2:02 pm to Antonio Moss
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MIB would be trapped on the island forever.
Do we know that there is a way to do this? Jacob being alive, and starting with this season his replacement being on the island, has kept him there. But once Jacob AND his replacement candidates are dead also, we're to assume that the MIB can leave. What have we seen that would lead us to believe that there is something or some way for the MIB to be permanently housed on the island forever?
Posted on 5/5/10 at 2:03 pm to White Shadeaux
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Not to argue, but...did you see EVERY single name on the cave wall or on the wheel?
They have the list of all of the names and corresponding numbers from the lighthouse wheel listed on lostepedia. The wall, I'm not so sure
Posted on 5/5/10 at 2:17 pm to Tiger Ryno
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However, I don't believe any who died by MIB's hand were still candidates. Sayid was crossed off wasn't he? We know only one Kwon died (Sun) because of the bomb. Jin chose to die with her, he wasn't killed. Lapidus was not a candidate.
Sayid was a candidate right? And we now know that Jin is the Kwon candidate, he choose to die with Sun.
One black backgammon piece and one white backgammon piece has been removed.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 2:18 pm to WG_Dawg
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what would happen if MIB didn't "win" and Jacob did?
eternally trapped on the island I'd imagine
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I figured that up to this point Jacob is the one that is always "winning",
I should've clarified - I do think of this as the battle vs the war scenario. MIB may be winning battle after battle as he proves the flaws of man, but Jacob is still winning the war, as MIB still cant leave, and Jacob is still alive.
Now that Jacob is dead, MIB is closer than ever to winning the final battle and beating the "game"
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Wouldn't MIB only win one time, which is when he finally escapes the island?
in that sense, yes absolutely
Posted on 5/5/10 at 2:22 pm to LSU2NO
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And we now know that Jin is the Kwon candidate, he choose to die with Sun.
did I miss something, or is this a big leap?
Posted on 5/5/10 at 2:24 pm to LSU2NO
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And we now know that Jin is the Kwon candidate, he choose to die with Sun.
I'm not sure that's right.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 2:27 pm to Antonio Moss
I thought that Sun said "we are candidates" in Ab Eterno when they were sitting around the camp fire.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 2:29 pm to PortCityTiger24
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I thought that Sun said "we are candidates" in Ab Eterno when they were sitting around the camp fire.
she did, but even Ilana stated she wasnt sure which one Sun or Jin
Sun didnt really need to elaborate as to which "we" she was referring to, plus she didnt know for sure either
Posted on 5/5/10 at 2:29 pm to Uncle Stu
we were extrapolating out that Locke can't kill the candidates and technically he put the bomb in Jacks pack that killed Sun. We know once Kwon was a candidate. Hence 2+2 equals Jin being the candidate because Locke's bomb did not kill him. he chose to drown with her.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 2:33 pm to Tiger Ryno
But MIB didn't technically kill them.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 2:33 pm to Uncle Stu
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And we now know that Jin is the Kwon candidate, he choose to die with Sun.
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MIB couldn't kill the candidates. The C-4 directly killed Sun. So she cannot be a candidate. Jin, on the other hand, choose to stay with Sun and die so he would have to be 'the Kwon' candidate. I think that Aaron and baby Kwon are not relevant as far as candidates.
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And we now know that Jin is the Kwon candidate, he choose to die with Sun.
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did I miss something, or is this a big leap?
MIB couldn't kill the candidates. The C-4 directly killed Sun. So she cannot be a candidate. Jin, on the other hand, choose to stay with Sun and die so he would have to be 'the Kwon' candidate. I think that Aaron and baby Kwon are not relevant as far as candidates.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 2:37 pm to LSU2NO
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MIB couldn't kill the candidates. The C-4 directly killed Sun. So she cannot be a candidate. Jin, on the other hand, choose to stay with Sun and die so he would have to be 'the Kwon' candidate.
LOL
That's because Sawyer tampered with it. Do you think that if Sayid didn't run out of the room all of the candidates would have survived?
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