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re: LOST "The Candidate" S6 E14 (Jack/Locke-centric)
Posted on 5/5/10 at 12:51 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 5/5/10 at 12:51 pm to Antonio Moss
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Someone else will take my place.
This is the big line. Someone else will take his place as the person who is keeping MIB on the island.
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Posted on 5/5/10 at 12:51 pm to Antonio Moss
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Man in Black: Then now you know why I want to kill you. And I will kill you, Jacob.
Jacob: Someone else will take my place.
probably the key to this conversation and the situation in general.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 12:52 pm to joshnorris14
exactly
Posted on 5/5/10 at 12:56 pm to OMLandshark
This whole, MIB getting all the candidates to go to the sub because the plane was wired with explosives doesn't make sense. if he wanted them all dead, why not just get on the plane and let them blow themselves up? I mean he is invencible. Another thing, when they assult the sub, why do the losties have to take eveyone out when MIB can just do it himself and no danger comes to anyone. Are these people the most stupid human beings alive. The show is reachimg in my opinion now. Dont get me wrong, I love lost but it could have been done better.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 12:57 pm to PortCityTiger24
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didn't you post this before....
he's posting from his alternate time line.
nice.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 12:58 pm to Gam
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if he wanted them all dead, why not just get on the plane and let them blow themselves up?
He can't kill them.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:03 pm to joshnorris14
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He can't kill them.
Except he wouldn't be. Widmore would.
I don't think he has to kill them. I think he will be able to leave if the candidates chose to leave the island on their own.
He put the C4 in Jack's backpack. Jack has explicitly said that he was staying on the island. If all goes to plan, then MIB would have been on the sub with all the candidates but Jack, leaving the island. Meanwhile, Jack is being blown to ash on the island.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:05 pm to Antonio Moss
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Except he wouldn't be. Widmore would.
If he got them on the plane, knowing it would blow up, he would be killing them.
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He put the C4 in Jack's backpack. Jack has explicitly said that he was staying on the island. If all goes to plan, then MIB would have been on the sub with all the candidates but Jack, leaving the island. Meanwhile, Jack is being blown to ash on the island.
MIB had every intention of getting Jack on that sub without him.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:08 pm to joshnorris14
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If he got them on the plane, knowing it would blow up, he would be killing them.
I don't think this is right. If it were, last night's explosion wouldn't have happened.
They would have still had the choice to get on the plane. It all comes down to choice. It seems he can take any action to kill the candidates so long as the candidates have some choice in participating.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:08 pm to OMLandshark
Im sure I will be blasted but heres my recent take.
MIB wants to die, to be allowed to move on to hell or wherever hes going. The candidates and Jacob are his constant which keep him alive on the Island.
The Island is his prison, his own purgatory(I know what the writers said but this isnt about the passengers). He's a demon that accompanies Lucifer in his fight against God. His crazy arse mother is the mythical demon know as Lilith or Lilly not sure which one.
The only way the cork can be lifted is when someone is allowed to enter. Thats why he cant be allowed to die. The game is part of the truce between the Fallen Angels and God. Popular mythology places the origins of Gods war with the introduction of man. Lucifer was not fond of man and felt it was Gods mistake thus leading to the war. Which sets up the whole conversations between MIB and Jacob in reference to mans problems.
Just my random thoughts that are probably wrong.
MIB wants to die, to be allowed to move on to hell or wherever hes going. The candidates and Jacob are his constant which keep him alive on the Island.
The Island is his prison, his own purgatory(I know what the writers said but this isnt about the passengers). He's a demon that accompanies Lucifer in his fight against God. His crazy arse mother is the mythical demon know as Lilith or Lilly not sure which one.
The only way the cork can be lifted is when someone is allowed to enter. Thats why he cant be allowed to die. The game is part of the truce between the Fallen Angels and God. Popular mythology places the origins of Gods war with the introduction of man. Lucifer was not fond of man and felt it was Gods mistake thus leading to the war. Which sets up the whole conversations between MIB and Jacob in reference to mans problems.
Just my random thoughts that are probably wrong.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:13 pm to joshnorris14
19 pages and this is my first post. I'm slacking. 
In all seriousness, I'm tapped out of ideas and theories. I'm really just enjoying watching it all play out. Before Ab Aeterno, I couldn't stop thinking about what it all meant. Now, I'm just along for the ride.
Anyways, liked the episode, didn't love it. There wasn't a lot of "Lostian" suspense that typically characterizes a great episode. There were some big deaths, of course, but that doesn't really equate to the kind of suspense that LOST is known for. It was more or less just the chess pieces moving around. Other thoughts...
Sayid went out like a champ. Redemption.
I loved the way Jin and Sun died. Very sad but a very nice depature from the island for both of them. You know the whole, "Love will conquer all" theme was all over that death. Jin willingly dying with his mate because he didn't want to live without her.
Jack is still acting like the Chosen One. He was stellar last night. The side-flash between him and Locke was definitely interesting. Can't wait to see how the sideflash plays out what they are.
Now that the remaining candidates know that MIB wants them dead it will be interesting to see how that dynamic goes. I agree with everyone else, Kate will be the pawn. MIB will capture her and tell sawyer that if he doesn't kill Jack, he'll kill Kate. That will be an awesome scene.
In all seriousness, I'm tapped out of ideas and theories. I'm really just enjoying watching it all play out. Before Ab Aeterno, I couldn't stop thinking about what it all meant. Now, I'm just along for the ride.
Anyways, liked the episode, didn't love it. There wasn't a lot of "Lostian" suspense that typically characterizes a great episode. There were some big deaths, of course, but that doesn't really equate to the kind of suspense that LOST is known for. It was more or less just the chess pieces moving around. Other thoughts...
Sayid went out like a champ. Redemption.
I loved the way Jin and Sun died. Very sad but a very nice depature from the island for both of them. You know the whole, "Love will conquer all" theme was all over that death. Jin willingly dying with his mate because he didn't want to live without her.
Jack is still acting like the Chosen One. He was stellar last night. The side-flash between him and Locke was definitely interesting. Can't wait to see how the sideflash plays out what they are.
Now that the remaining candidates know that MIB wants them dead it will be interesting to see how that dynamic goes. I agree with everyone else, Kate will be the pawn. MIB will capture her and tell sawyer that if he doesn't kill Jack, he'll kill Kate. That will be an awesome scene.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:15 pm to joshnorris14
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This whole, MIB getting all the candidates to go to the sub because the plane was wired with explosives doesn't make sense. if he wanted them all dead, why not just get on the plane and let them blow themselves up? I mean he is invencible. Another thing, when they assult the sub, why do the losties have to take eveyone out when MIB can just do it himself and no danger comes to anyone. Are these people the most stupid human beings alive. The show is reachimg in my opinion now. Dont get me wrong, I love lost but it could have been done better.
if he kills everyone shooting at them, then kate doesn't get shot and jack doesn't get on the sub. at least that's my line of thinking.
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Cut to the finale scene: Some random guy in a bunker punching in:
3, 7, 14, 21, 30, 34
He hits enter and a clock scrolls back to 109:00
(The six numbers could just be any set of six numbers that add up to 109)
Basically, the entire series was Round 108 of the game between Jacob and MIB.
interesting...
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Ben's cancer I am positive was MIB's doings. He wanted Ben to lose faith in Jacob, and the cancer was merely the first step, then Locke coming to the Island to be his replacement, Ben's daughter being killed, and finally being exiled from the Island. Ben would have to absolutely loathe Jacob before he was able to kill him.
it truly makes ben a tragic figure when you think about it. when we are first introduced (well after the henry gale stuff) we think ben is the puppetmaster. turns out he's just a pawn.
and locke went from pawn to puppetmaster (although it's flocke not really john).
also someone said something before about killing jacob/MIB with the daggers without talking first and so on.
i just thought the "don't let them talk to you" has to do with the fact that they will be able to convince/manipulate the person not to kill them once they talk to you.
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RIP Sayid. At least he was able to go out in typical Arab fashion by blowing up with a bomb strapped to his chest.
I just want to say good luck.......we're all counting on you.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:15 pm to TROLA
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MIB wants to die, to be allowed to move on to hell or wherever hes going. The candidates and Jacob are his constant which keep him alive on the Island.
lol wut?
Constants relate to time travel.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:17 pm to Gam
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if he wanted them all dead, why not just get on the plane and let them blow themselves up?
I think I figured it out.
That was his original plan, but since Jack wasn't getting on the plane, he needed to improvise.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:29 pm to Gam
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This whole, MIB getting all the candidates to go to the sub because the plane was wired with explosives doesn't make sense. if he wanted them all dead, why not just get on the plane and let them blow themselves up? I mean he is invencible. Another thing, when they assult the sub, why do the losties have to take eveyone out when MIB can just do it himself and no danger comes to anyone. Are these people the most stupid human beings alive. The show is reachimg in my opinion now. Dont get me wrong, I love lost but it could have been done better.
Because they would have seen the C4. Its not like it was hidden that well. They would have checked the plane before cranking it up.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:31 pm to Antonio Moss
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I don't think this is right. If it were, last night's explosion wouldn't have happened.
If they listened to Jack, it wouldn't have happened. Sawyer was the person who did that.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:32 pm to TROLA
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Im sure I will be blasted but heres my recent take.
MIB wants to die, to be allowed to move on to hell or wherever hes going. The candidates and Jacob are his constant which keep him alive on the Island.
The Island is his prison, his own purgatory(I know what the writers said but this isnt about the passengers). He's a demon that accompanies Lucifer in his fight against God. His crazy arse mother is the mythical demon know as Lilith or Lilly not sure which one.
The only way the cork can be lifted is when someone is allowed to enter. Thats why he cant be allowed to die. The game is part of the truce between the Fallen Angels and God. Popular mythology places the origins of Gods war with the introduction of man. Lucifer was not fond of man and felt it was Gods mistake thus leading to the war. Which sets up the whole conversations between MIB and Jacob in reference to mans problems.
Just my random thoughts that are probably wrong.
Congrats on having worst theory of the week.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:33 pm to OMLandshark
so it looks like Locke can kill whomever he wants so long as they aren't a candidate. He put the c4 in Jack's backpack unbenownst to Jack until too late. In any common understanding the MIB killed the people who died on the sub. However, I don't believe any who died by MIB's hand were still candidates. Sayid was crossed off wasn't he? We know only one Kwon died (Sun) because of the bomb. Jin chose to die with her, he wasn't killed. Lapidus was not a candidate.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:35 pm to TDTGodfather
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if he kills everyone shooting at them, then kate doesn't get shot and jack doesn't get on the sub. at least that's my line of thinking.
Good thinking. Widmore's men wouldn't shoot at the candidates, but they would shoot at Claire or Kate, and either one would force Jack onto the sub.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 1:39 pm to OMLandshark
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Congrats on having worst theory of the week.
Can I atleast get a cookie?
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