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re: LOST "The Candidate" S6 E14 (Jack/Locke-centric)
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:26 am to Antonio Moss
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:26 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
I still believe that MIB and Jacob are bound by rules
I see it differently
1.MIB is trapped on the island
2.Jacob has some capacity to keep him bound
3.Jacob at some point will require a replacement(I assume that Jacob knows he has to die in the process)
4. Jacob continually brings prospective candidates to the island
5. MIB keeps "winning" in the sense that he gets the candidates to die off
6. It doesnt really matter, b/c to date, Jacob has always been there to keep him trapped
7. The main rule is that MIb can't kill Jacob nor any of the candidates directly
8. As long as either are still on the island (Jacob &/or candidates) MIB is stuck
9. The "loophole" is that he needs them to all kill each other off & Jacob in the process - but not directly by MIB's hand
Oceanic 815 is the culmination of a millennium of this game - it's all about to end (somehow) for the first time
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Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:33 am to Antonio Moss
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In fact, Jacob admission of earlier people who are now dead seems to lend more support to the idea that it is the candidates and not Jacob which hold MIB on the island.
There were 0 Candidates on the Island in Ab Aeterno. So according to your disproven theory, MIB should have been able to leave.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:33 am to Uncle Stu
Very possible.
Regardless, I believe this question:
will be answered next week.
Regardless, I believe this question:
quote:
2.Jacob has some capacity to keep him bound
will be answered next week.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:34 am to OMLandshark
quote:
There were 0 Candidates on the Island in Ab Aeterno. So according to your disproven theory, MIB should have been able to leave.
Unless it was the beginning of a new round and Richard represented the first piece.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:35 am to Uncle Stu
quote:
I see it differently
1.MIB is trapped on the island
2.Jacob has some capacity to keep him bound
3.Jacob at some point will require a replacement(I assume that Jacob knows he has to die in the process)
4. Jacob continually brings prospective candidates to the island
5. MIB keeps "winning" in the sense that he gets the candidates to die off
6. It doesnt really matter, b/c to date, Jacob has always been there to keep him trapped
7. The main rule is that MIb can't kill Jacob nor any of the candidates directly
8. As long as either are still on the island (Jacob &/or candidates) MIB is stuck
9. The "loophole" is that he needs them to all kill each other off & Jacob in the process - but not directly by MIB's hand
This is how I see it as well, but I think "the rules" he is refering to are just what you stated, that they can't kill each other or the candidates, etc.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:38 am to AstroTiger
Anyone else find it interesting that Sawyer was the one making a move on the bomb when Sayid, who obviously knows a thing or two about these things, was standing right there watching?
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:40 am to Uncle Stu
backgammon. The pieces are coming off the board.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:42 am to LSU2NO
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backgammon. The pieces are coming off the board.
This.
I wish I knew the game better.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:44 am to Uncle Stu
quote:
2.Jacob has some capacity to keep him bound
I thought that "Just let me leave, Jacob" pretty much cleared this up.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:47 am to LSU2NO
I just watched the episode on hulu and i thought it was decent nothing real important happened until half of the show was already over
By the way I think if there where going to kill off who they killed off this week it they couldn't have done it any better. Well main character wise
BTW this isn't the last we will see of them they will probably show up in the flash sideways
By the way I think if there where going to kill off who they killed off this week it they couldn't have done it any better. Well main character wise
BTW this isn't the last we will see of them they will probably show up in the flash sideways
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:49 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
Unless it was the beginning of a new round and Richard represented the first piece.
But Richard wasn't on the wheel or on the cave wall. Richard was never a candidate.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:50 am to White Shadeaux
quote:
This.
I wish I knew the game better.
pretty much you must get all of your pieces to the other side of the board, you role the dice move how many spots it tells you you can split it up. If you have 5 6 then you can move one 11 or one 5 and another 6
your opponent can't put himself on a place with more then 1 opponents piece and if he lands on a spot with only one then that piece start back at the beginning at least i think this is how the rules go.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:52 am to OMLandshark
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But Richard wasn't on the wheel or on the cave wall. Richard was never a candidate.
there could have been other candidates on the island or maybe becuase there was no one on the island at the time before then, Jacob didn't have to worry about being killed. But now that someone is on the island he has to worried about being killed so he brings candidates to the island
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:57 am to OMLandshark
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But Richard wasn't on the wheel or on the cave wall. Richard was never a candidate.
1) Not all playing pieces are candidates.
2) Just because we never saw Richard's name doesn't mean it wasn't there. There were hundreds of names on the cave wall and telescope; we only saw about 20.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 12:00 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
But Richard wasn't on the wheel or on the cave wall. Richard was never a candidate.
Not to argue, but...did you see EVERY single name on the cave wall or on the wheel?
Posted on 5/5/10 at 12:04 pm to Antonio Moss
Dude your theory is wrong.
In the episode "Ab Aeterno" Jacob and MIB had a conversation where Jacob says that MIB is never going to be able to leave the island to which MIB responds by pleading to let him leave. When Jacob denies him, MIB tells him that's why he's going to kill him. Jacob tells him when that happens, someone will be there to replace him and MIB responds with "Well, I guess I'll have to kill him too".
In the episode "Ab Aeterno" Jacob and MIB had a conversation where Jacob says that MIB is never going to be able to leave the island to which MIB responds by pleading to let him leave. When Jacob denies him, MIB tells him that's why he's going to kill him. Jacob tells him when that happens, someone will be there to replace him and MIB responds with "Well, I guess I'll have to kill him too".
Posted on 5/5/10 at 12:09 pm to joshnorris14
quote:
In the episode "Ab Aeterno" Jacob and MIB had a conversation where Jacob says that MIB is never going to be able to leave the island to which MIB responds by pleading to let him leave. When Jacob denies him, MIB tells him that's why he's going to kill him. Jacob tells him when that happens, someone will be there to replace him and MIB responds with "Well, I guess I'll have to kill him too".
Seriously, this late in the game, they are not going to throw a curveball like that that doesn't really affect the overall plot. Its Jacob who kept him from leaving before, and now its the Candidates.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 12:21 pm to OMLandshark
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and now its the Candidates.
which I think is the most perplexing aspect of all this and I'm curious as to how they are going to explain it
it's one thing for an individual to make some sort of concerted, conscious effort to do something (i.e. keep MIB on the island)
but it's a strange series of rules that a group or individual without having any conscious knowledge of the power he/she wields to do the same
that'll be a difficult one to explain-I think
Posted on 5/5/10 at 12:38 pm to joshnorris14
quote:
Jacob: Morning.
Man in Black: Morning.
Jacob: I see you got my present.
Man in Black: Don't gloat, Jacob. It doesn't become you.
Jacob: So you tried to kill me.
Man in Black: You expect an apology?
Jacob: I'd just like to know why you did it.
Man in Black: Because I want to leave. Just let me leave, Jacob.
Jacob: As long as I'm still alive, you're not going anywhere.
Man in Black: Then now you know why I want to kill you. And I will kill you, Jacob.
Jacob: Someone else will take my place.
Man in Black: Well, then I'll kill them too.
Jacob: [hands him a bottle of wine] Well, here's something to pass the time. See you around.
[Jacob leaves]
Man in Black: Sooner than you think.
These are pretty big lines.
If MIB is pleading for Jacob to "let" him leave. Then it would seem that Jacob doesn't have to be dead for MIB to get off the island.
Secondly, Jacob's line "as long as I'm still alive, you're not going anywhere," at first glance seems to mean that MIB can only leave at Jacob's death, but couldn't also mean that while Jacob is alive he can influence the candidates to not allow MIB to leave?
The two lines are certainly contradictory.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 12:49 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
If MIB is pleading for Jacob to "let" him leave. Then it would seem that Jacob doesn't have to be dead for MIB to get off the island.
I think the Candidates must "allow" MIB to leave the Island. Even if he got on the sub with no C4, I don't think he could have left the Island, since I don't think anyone wanted him to leave the Island. Killing them is his only option. If Jacob or the Candidates truly let MIB go (Hurley and Jack wouldn't ever do this), then he could leave the Island. Death isn't the only way he can get off the Island, but it would be pretty impossible for him to convince them that he is actually a "good person" and freely let him leave.
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