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re: LOST "The Candidate" S6 E14 (Jack/Locke-centric)
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:35 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:35 am to OMLandshark
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I'm kinda sad they aren't focusing on that instead of Jacob and MIB's backstory
Well, the current island timeline is quickly coming to a close. I like the placement of this episode because I think it's going to reveal a lot about the island, Jacob and MIB's relationship, and the whole reason these events are taking place. It its a perfect set up for the audience to sit back and watch the final events unfold without questioning having to questions why they're unfolding.
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Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:36 am to AstroTiger
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moot point since Jacob is already dead anyway
Not really, considering the subject matter of nest week's episode.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:38 am to Uncle Stu
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But I think Ben's cancer is the most interesting. It still could be that in the end, the island is just a piece of dirt with no motive, and it was Jacob & MiB doing all the work
Ben's cancer I am positive was MIB's doings. He wanted Ben to lose faith in Jacob, and the cancer was merely the first step, then Locke coming to the Island to be his replacement, Ben's daughter being killed, and finally being exiled from the Island. Ben would have to absolutely loathe Jacob before he was able to kill him.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:38 am to Antonio Moss
Not out of the realm of possibility but I'm not on board with your theory. It only ends once. I think this series is going to be the end of the games.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:38 am to The Godfather
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really?? i wonder why they would need to shoot stuff that far in advance for the finale
Walt's aging perhaps?
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:39 am to Tiger Ryno
I think Locke's line to Walt in the Pilot on the beach when he was holding up the white and black stones and telling him about backgammon is going to be key to the whole series.
"Wanna know a secret?"
"Wanna know a secret?"
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:39 am to Antonio Moss
I'm still confused by the scene where they take over the sub. Too silly.
"Hey, Mr. Supernatural Killing Machine, just sit back and relax. We got this."
"Hey, Mr. Supernatural Killing Machine, just sit back and relax. We got this."
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:41 am to The Boob
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To kill Jacob/MIB, you have to stab them with the special daggers, but you have to do it before they talk to you, right? I seem to remember Jacob telling Ben he had a choice right before Ben stabbed him. Is this just a continuity error? or does this have a bigger meaning?
I don't think this is really true. I think Dogen just wanted MIB to kill Sayid and MIB didn't want Richard talking to Jacob since he knew Jacob could convince him not to kill him. Ben on the other hand absolutely hated Jacob and was under the threat of death to kill Jacob.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:41 am to OMLandshark
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Walt's aging perhaps?
now that would be interesting
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:43 am to Antonio Moss
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It wouldn't shock me if she is the last person alive on the island before MIB gets off.
Sawyer, Jack, and Hurley have to be dead for him to get off the Island. I seriously doubt all 3 of them will die.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:45 am to Antonio Moss
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I think MIB can escape when all the candidates are dead regardless of whether Jacob is alive or not. However, getting the candidates to kill one another off is much more difficult with Jacob alive and guiding them in certain directions.
Jacob and MIB were on the Island alone for a long time, so no it was Jacob not the candidates keeping him on the Island.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:46 am to Tiger Ryno
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"Wanna know a secret?"
That secret was Locke's paralysis.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:46 am to Antonio Moss
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I'm kinda sad they aren't focusing on that instead of Jacob and MIB's backstory
Well I would rather see jacob/Mib all episode then another hour of pointless running around in teh woods pointing guns at people for no reason, knowing full well that nothing substantive will happen until final act.
The on-island stuff gets a little stale when its just sitting around plotting to go on some meaningless mission and then a week later they are all friends with the people they were attacking or some such.
Next week is going to be the coup de' gras.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:49 am to Tiger Ryno
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Not out of the realm of possibility but I'm not on board with your theory. It only ends once. I think this series is going to be the end of the games
Of course, the "game" officially "ending" is quite possible. But the writers made an interesting comment that I may be reading too much in to:
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We are ending this story with these characters and that's all we have planned. We're not setting up a sequel. We're not planting elements for future shows. We certainly understand and absolutely respect that ABC and Disney has an incredibly valuable franchise and they want to do more things with "Lost," but the story we're telling ends in May.
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We just made a commitment to this group of characters whose stories are coming to a conclusion this May.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:59 am to OMLandshark
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Jacob and MIB were on the Island alone for a long time, so no it was Jacob not the candidates keeping him on the Island.
Where are you getting this?
Opening scene of Season Five Finale shows a boat coming, but that doesn't suggest that the two have been on the island by themselves for some incredible period of time.
I still believe that MIB and Jacob are bound by rules. One of these rules is that MIB can only leave when the candidates chosen allow him to leave or kill themselves off.
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You brought them here, Jacob. Your still trying to prove me wrong aren't you? They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt, IT ENDS THE SAME EVERY TIME.
MIB's version of ending is different that Jacob's. The sentence seems to suggest that Jacob's candidates have failed in the past.
Now, if Jacob was killed and somehow reborn after the failure of his candidates, then maybe you're right. We may get that answer next week.
But working under the assumption that Jacob has never died before, then MIB's comment suggests two things:
1. The process has ended before;
2. MIB was the winner.
Thus, if MIB was the winner in the past under his idea of "ending," and Jacob has never died before, then it would seem to suggest that Jacob's death is not necessarily the key for MIB's victory.
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yes, but it ONLY ENDS ONCE...everything BEFORE that is progress
This quote obviously signifies a difference in how MIB and Jacob view the "End."
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:01 am to Antonio Moss
a whole new "lost" series could basically be started keeping all the history and mysicism of the island
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:06 am to Pilot Tiger
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a whole new "lost" series could basically be started keeping all the history and mysicism of the island
Technically, yes, but the mysticism and unknown surrounding the island and it's inhabitants was the crux of the show. Starting a new series with all the answers already in the place would be a colossal failure.
They just always seem to include the clause of "these characters" or "their story arch." Which, to me, seems to leave open the possibility that story of the island will not be concluded, but merely these characters in relation to that island.
Of course, an official completely tied off ending is certainly a possibility.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:20 am to wilceaux
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I'm still confused by the scene where they take over the sub. Too silly.
"Hey, Mr. Supernatural Killing Machine, just sit back and relax. We got this."
I thought the same damn thing. Why the hell don't they just let MIB turn into smoke and kill everyone guarding the sub? That didn't make any sense at all.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:21 am to Antonio Moss
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Where are you getting this?
Richard asked Jacob if anyone else had ever come to the Island, and he said yes, but they are all dead. At that moment there was only Jacob, Richard, and MIB on the Island. Richard is not a candidate, so there were no candidates on the Island. Richard was the first of the Others.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 11:24 am to OMLandshark
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Richard asked Jacob if anyone else had ever come to the Island, and he said yes, but they are all dead. At that moment there was only Jacob, Richard, and MIB on the Island. Richard is not a candidate, so there were no candidates on the Island. Richard was the first of the Others.
Does not equal this:
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Jacob and MIB were on the Island alone for a long time, so no it was Jacob not the candidates keeping him on the Island.
In fact, Jacob admission of earlier people who are now dead seems to lend more support to the idea that it is the candidates and not Jacob which hold MIB on the island.
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