re: LOST "Ab Aeterno" S6.E9 (Richard-centric)

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Antonio Moss

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will you just stop being such a fricking pussy? i just told you that i thought your theory, or thought rather, was solid, but I just don't think it will happen that way. no need to get butt hurt, man.

This has probably been explored before but not by me, so forgive me if this is old news...

The choosing of names of each of the characters has obviously been very well thought out by the creators. Everyone focused on the Jacob/Esau connection in regard to the name Jacob, but I havent' seen anything as to what Jacob might mean, so I looked.


The name Jacob means "he who supplants."

Webster's defines supplant as:

1 : to supersede (another) especially by force or treachery
2 a (1) obsolete : uproot (2) : to eradicate and supply a substitute for <efforts to supplant the vernacular> b : to take the place of and serve as a substitute for especially by reason of superior excellence or power

Pretty interesting if you ask me. I wonder if it's relevant.

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Does Jacob need these people to come to the Island to help him keep MIB from escaping?

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Actually the opposite. MIB can't escape except through human intervention.

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If not then why does he do it? other than for his own satisifaction to try and prove an "evil" man wrong.. Whats the Point?

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It's a game.

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This is why I compared it to the book of Job. Was God simply trying to prove a point to Satan or was he doing something for our greater good in the process? Jacob might be doing things that result in people dying, but is that really the worst thing that can happen to someone? What if it was for a greater good?

I don't buy the whole "game" theory because MIB's objective is clearly to leave the island..what happens after that? he wins?

Jacob kind of explained the purpose for the island already...seems like much more like he's trying to do much more than prove a point to MIB.

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Yeah, if this is just a little game, MIB is clearly not having a fun time, aside from killing the occasional party that happens to stumble on the Island.

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This is why I compared it to the book of Job. Was God simply trying to prove a point to Satan or was he doing something for our greater good in the process? Jacob might be doing things that result in people dying, but is that really the worst thing that can happen to someone? What if it was for a greater good?

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In the story of Job were are talking about life as we know it. It doesnt really explain why Jacob would summon these people to an invisible Island knowing full well that the outcome would usually result in death. At this point I think its simpler to believe he does it for his own redemption, ego, or some other personal reason.

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Jacob kind of explained the purpose for the island already...seems like much more like he's trying to do much more than prove a point to MIB

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Then why would Jacob bring people to the Island knowing full well that they could be used to let the MIB escape?

I think this is why peoples theories are getting all over the place because the simpliest explanation would be for Jacob not to summon anybody to the Island.

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the simpliest explanation would be for Jacob not to summon anybody to the Island.

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Yeah, but that would make a crappy tv series.

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will you just stop being such a fricking pussy? i just told you that i thought your theory, or thought rather, was solid, but I just don't think it will happen that way. no need to get butt hurt, man.

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My butt isn't hurt.

I just find it funny that you would criticize something you don't comprehend.

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In the story of Job were are talking about life as we know it. It doesnt really explain why Jacob would summon these people to an invisible Island knowing full well that the outcome would usually result in death.

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In the book of Job God allowed Satan to torture and kill people. The Christian believes that God is sovereign - all knowing and is in controll. THe question is this - was he trying to boost hiss own ego to prove a point or was he doing it for OUR greater good?

I am not saying that they are portreying the book of Job or even Christianity for that matter, but there are some parrallels there. To me when you take everything into consideration they are hard to ignore.

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I just find it funny that you would criticize something you don't comprehend.

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for your sake i hope it turns out exactly the way you want it to

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i always kind of wrote the smoke monster off on the show thinking the producers made a huge mistake from the beginning with the whole scary monster destroying people. id love to go back and analyze the hell out of ever appearance now and see how from the beginning of the series the mib has been playing a HUGE role.

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This is my biggest question. Clearly, at some point MIB changed his approach toward people brought to the island. He immediately killed everyone on the Black Rock except for Richard. But allowed the 815 passengers (not to mention the Dharma Initiative) to live on the island relatively undisturbed and without much interaction with them. Why?

Just as I'm typing this I'm wondering, did the electric fence or whatever around Ben's village keep Smokey out? I can't remember.


Thanks in advance for any replies.