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re: LOST "Ab Aeterno" S6.E9 (Richard-centric)
Posted on 3/25/10 at 4:25 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 3/25/10 at 4:25 pm to theunknownknight
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What is rattling in my head now is why would Jacob need to be replaced if he is a God like entity?
Agreed. And its why I don't think Jacob is "God". Is Jacob simply someone who has been endowed with powers in order protect the island, a la the Knight in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, so he needs to be replaced when his time is up?
Also, if Jacob was God, then why would he tell Richard that he couldn't absolve him of his sins. I searched through about 25 pages and didn't see this addressed. Is this not confirmation that Jacob is not God?
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i always kind of wrote the smoke monster off on the show thinking the producers made a huge mistake from the beginning with the whole scary monster destroying people. id love to go back and analyze the hell out of ever appearance now and see how from the beginning of the series the mib has been playing a HUGE role.
This is my biggest question. Clearly, at some point MIB changed his approach toward people brought to the island. He immediately killed everyone on the Black Rock except for Richard. But allowed the 815 passengers (not to mention the Dharma Initiative) to live on the island relatively undisturbed and without much interaction with them. Why?
Thanks in advance for any replies.
This post was edited on 3/25/10 at 4:31 pm
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Posted on 3/25/10 at 4:28 pm to CE Tiger
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yes, that was the whole point of it
Ok thanks. I know the ash keeps Smokey out, but didn't know if the fence could somehow do that too, or if it was just to keep people out.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 4:37 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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i always kind of wrote the smoke monster off on the show thinking the producers made a huge mistake from the beginning with the whole scary monster destroying people. id love to go back and analyze the hell out of ever appearance now and see how from the beginning of the series the mib has been playing a HUGE role.
CE, I did the same thing. I figured it was just a side thing of no real importance. So today I went back and started watching season 1 on netflix instant watch and I've seen a couple of things that caught my eye that I'm not going to go into detail about.
One of the more humorous things was in Walkabout when Locke was at his desk and he was using the calculator. The noise it made when the receipt paper would move through the roll was identical to the rattling noise that the smoke makes. The shot focused really close in on Locke's face and it kept making that rattling noise. It was a great shot, if you get the foreshadowing part of it (which you obviously can't if you haven't seen up through season 6).
Lost might be more enjoyable the second time around.
This post was edited on 3/25/10 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 3/25/10 at 4:37 pm to PortCityTiger24
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for your sake i hope it turns out exactly the way you want it to
I was talking about my theory.
I have no idea how the show will actually end.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 4:49 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Clearly, at some point MIB changed his approach toward people brought to the island. He immediately killed everyone on the Black Rock except for Richard.
He thought he could manipulate Richard
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But allowed the 815 passengers (not to mention the Dharma Initiative) to live on the island relatively undisturbed and without much interaction with them. Why?
He couldn't kill the candidates for one.
He also scanned Locke in the third episode of the series and found that he could manipulate him.
I think it's less of him letting them live peacefully and more of him make calculated decisions which would eventually allow him to leave the island.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 4:49 pm to Antonio Moss
I thought I read somewhere that we'd find out about the donkey wheel in Ab Aeterno. I don't remember anything like such.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 5:15 pm to Antonio Moss
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Antonio Moss
Wasn't Locke a candidate too though, so MIB couldn't kill him anyway?
Posted on 3/25/10 at 5:21 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Wasn't Locke a candidate too though, so MIB couldn't kill him anyway?
Yeah, but Locke has been the key pawn since the get go.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 5:48 pm to tuck
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I've seen a couple of things that caught my eye that I'm not going to go into detail about.
Aw, c'mon...give us the details.
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The noise it made when the receipt paper would move through the roll was identical to the rattling noise that the smoke makes.
I think that noise was actually used by the sound techs to formulate part of the Smokie sound track. However, I don't think this is what Rose was referring to when she commented that the sound seemed familiar.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 5:53 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Is Jacob simply someone who has been endowed with powers in order protect the island, a la the Knight in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, so he needs to be replaced when his time is up?
Doc Jensen touched on this in one of his recaps of few weeks ago. Cool theory but I don't know how applicable it is to LOST.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 5:56 pm to Antonio Moss
I keeping going back to the fact that mib killed all of those on the black rock except Richard, and during the episode we are given the impression that now one else is on the island. I wonder when mib realized he needed people to help his conquest of getting off the island and why it has taken 150 years for this process to become viable? If he needs to use people to ge off the island why kill any of them? I assume the answer lies in the judge and jury function of his reality on the island. Anybody got thoughts on this?
Posted on 3/25/10 at 6:22 pm to tuck
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Lost might be more enjoyable the second time around.
I go back and forth with this. On the one hand, it's definitely gonna be cool to start from scratch knowing everything, like the MIB being the smoke and stuff like that. However, the first go around is so enjoyable because of the mystery, because we don't know everything and we're all on the edge of our seats waiting to see what's coming next. That element will be gone the second go around. But like you said, it'll be very interesting to watch the whole series again for the 2nd time.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 6:48 pm to WG_Dawg
I started to rewatch about a month ago and i'm 1/4 of the way into Season 2.
I may restart after I know everything, but that's doubtful.
I may restart after I know everything, but that's doubtful.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 6:55 pm to tuck
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Lost might be more enjoyable the second time around.
I rewatched all five seasons prior to this season and it was 10 times better the second time around.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 7:14 pm to Antonio Moss
Not going to read everything, But didn't Ben control the black smoke (I think I remember him going down into a basement in his house and calling for the smoke monster to come .
Posted on 3/25/10 at 7:31 pm to BrightsideTiger412
He "summoned" the smoke from that little pool of water in that secret passageway in his house I believe.
This post was edited on 3/25/10 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 3/25/10 at 7:51 pm to BrightsideTiger412
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Not going to read everything, But didn't Ben control the black smoke (I think I remember him going down into a basement in his house and calling for the smoke monster to come .
Yeah the Monster can be summoned, but I don't think he can be controlled. He needed Locke and Ben alive so he was more than willing to help then.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 8:01 pm to TROLA
I agree with PortCityTiger24 completely. It's quite apparent that this parallels the story of Job.
those are easily the same thing
doesn't "life as we know it" also ultimately result in death?
again, same argument could me bade that if God didn't create man, the Devil couldn't ever "win"
the simplest way God could prevent sin is to not create man.
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In the story of Job were are talking about life as we know it. It doesnt really explain why Jacob would summon these people to an invisible Island ...
those are easily the same thing
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knowing full well that the outcome would usually result in death
doesn't "life as we know it" also ultimately result in death?
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Then why would Jacob bring people to the Island knowing full well that they could be used to let the MIB escape?
again, same argument could me bade that if God didn't create man, the Devil couldn't ever "win"
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... the simpliest explanation would be for Jacob not to summon anybody to the Island.
the simplest way God could prevent sin is to not create man.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 8:29 pm to ctalati32
I found it interesting that Jacon used the word "sin" in his explanation to Richard.
Also, not saying this means anything, but Richard began to pray when the smoke monster was approaching him and then he was spared.
I don't think that's the reason he was spared, just a coincidence i guess.
Also, not saying this means anything, but Richard began to pray when the smoke monster was approaching him and then he was spared.
I don't think that's the reason he was spared, just a coincidence i guess.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 8:33 pm to Decatur
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I don't think this is what Rose was referring to when she commented that the sound seemed familiar.
The sound is the same sound as a New York City taxi cab receipt printer. Thus, why Rose said it sounded familiar.
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