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re: LOST "Ab Aeterno" S6.E9 (Richard-centric)

Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:52 pm to
Posted by tuck
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:52 pm to
There is no way I would read spoilers to lost. It's so much better when they are presented to you for the first time during the show.
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Posted by sgallo3
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:52 pm to
why would anyone read spoilers this close to the end? best case scenario u read something that ruins everything for you.

after i saw the spoiler earlier i was sure the four letter word was cage lol i thought it might be cork but didn't really understand that
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:53 pm to
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There is no way I would read spoilers to lost


+1
Posted by joshnorris14
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:53 pm to
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pretty sure Jacobs analogy was that the island is the cork. He didn't tell Richard "I am the cork"


Yes, but because Jacob died (the cork), the MIB(the evil) is able to leave the island (the prison).

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Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:53 pm to
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yeah, that maybe more accurate. I'd have to watch it again, but that could definitely be what they were implying.


I was shocked that so many people took it literally. Its fairly obvious, based on past events of the show, commentary from the producers, etc, that this is the case.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:54 pm to
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Question... why does MIB decide to kill some people (I'm assuming he's killing them) and not kill others?

What is the method to his madness?


Well his practical function on the Island is a judge, and I'd say that slave traders meet the requirement as pretty horrible people. Also he looks for people he thinks he can manipulate, so he spares those people.
This post was edited on 3/23/10 at 9:55 pm
Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:54 pm to
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Question... why does MIB decide to kill some people (I'm assuming he's killing them) and not kill others?

What is the method to his madness?
I think in part it has to do with whether he can use them or not. If he can use them, he keeps them alive. If not, they die. (Think about when Eko died. Perfect example IMO).
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ETA: IMO this was by far the best episode of this season so far, and it's not even close.
It was one of the best episodes of LOST period. Not just of this season (but it is the best of the season).
This post was edited on 3/23/10 at 9:55 pm
Posted by SaintsRbettrthanlsu1
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:54 pm to
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There is no way I would read spoilers to lost. It's so much better when they are presented to you for the first time during the show.



your right....im not....i did have to think about it tho. but no NEVER
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Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:56 pm to
Nestor Carbonnell should win an emmy for this episode.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:56 pm to
They REALLY trimmed the fat in this episode.
Posted by Bowe Knows
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:57 pm to
MIB is playing a game to get off the island. People, think of them as pawns, get their souls looked into. If he can use them they live. If not they die.

He took John down a hole and realized "here's a guy I can use". Everything else was designed to get John off the island, die, and come back.
This post was edited on 3/23/10 at 10:00 pm
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 9:57 pm to
they shucked the corn for sure.
Posted by The Eric
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:00 pm to
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Question... why does MIB decide to kill some people (I'm assuming he's killing them) and not kill others?

What is the method to his madness?




MIB cannot kill a candidate through his own means but can get others to do it, just like he cant kill Jacob.

If one is not a candidate then the MIB can kill them if he decides they are of no use to him for one reason or another. When Eko is "absolved" from his sins and released from his own prison, the MIB decides he is of no use to him and kills him.

Posted by SaintsRbettrthanlsu1
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:02 pm to
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Nestor Carbonnell should win an emmy for this episode.

Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:02 pm to
I love how they repeated that line again "it sure is nice to see you out of those chains".

Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:03 pm to
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your right....im not....i did have to think about it tho.
Seriously,

How great was it when Richard said..."you wanna know something Jack??!! You're dead, you're all dead!! And you're in all Hell!!"

ETA: That was right up there with "Kate, We have to go back to the island!!!" from Through the Looking Glass in terms of WTF moments IMO.
This post was edited on 3/23/10 at 10:05 pm
Posted by The Eric
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:03 pm to
i like how one of Jacob's people explains to sayid that he cant let MIB talk to him or its too late, and MIB used that same line towards richard.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:04 pm to
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He took John down a hole and realized "here's a guy I can use". Everything else was designed to get John off the island, die, and come back.



Other than being a substitute for Christian, there was apparently no need to bring John's body back to the island. They've made it clearer that the MIB can transform into people not on the island. With that said, any random cadaver could have been packed on the plane in Christian's clothes.

I think there has to be more to it. Like...the MIB can stay in the form of a dead person who's body is on the island longer.
Posted by WarmBubble
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:05 pm to
In no way do I think the Island is Hell because if it was, why would the two children be there? That just wouldn't make sense.

My theory is that the island is some type of purgatory or intermediate between heaven and Hell... for the MIB to be proved wrong, the 6 that were brought to the island as canidates will have to continue to perform the good deeds that they do in the alternate timeline until the two realities converge.

If the MIB gets off the island, I think he could possibly affect the realities somehow and never allow for the 6 to complete "progress"; thus they would go to Hell for their actions before they crashed on 815.

I think that all the 6 canidates will ultimatley be Jacobs replacement. Who said it just had to be one person? If somehow MIB gets off the island, he wins because it would "have all eneded the same".
Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
12653 posts
Posted on 3/23/10 at 10:09 pm to
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In no way do I think the Island is Hell
No one thinks that.

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purgatory


I'm pretty sure the producers have explicitly stated that it isn't purgatory.
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for the MIB to be proved wrong, the 6 that were brought to the island as canidates will have to continue to perform the good deeds that they do in the alternate timeline until the two realities converge.

If the MIB gets off the island, I think he could possibly affect the realities somehow and never allow for the 6 to complete "progress"; thus they would go to Hell for their actions before they crashed on 815.

I think that all the 6 canidates will ultimatley be Jacobs replacement. Who said it just had to be one person? If somehow MIB gets off the island, he wins because it would "have all eneded the same".
wow.
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