re: Looks like Disney might be coming to grips with what they have done to the SW franchise

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I will argue that Solo would have made SIGNIFICANTLY more money had TLJ been a good movie.

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I guess it depends on your definition of 'significantly.'

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That's only been said since TLJ.

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That's not true. Initial reactions certainly included "but why?"

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Show a movie released in the summer that tanked simply because of another movie.

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No need, because I never made that claim.

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HELLO HYPOCRISY!!!

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It doesn't seem like you know what hypocrisy means. I've never once said that TLJ had no impact on Solo. Not once.

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People will go watch this movie, they will like this movie, and it will make a ton of money. 

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Every single one of those statements is completely accurate.

Try again.

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Neither of us can prove our positions, but I will argue that Solo would have made SIGNIFICANTLY more money had TLJ been a good movie.

The hype would have been there.

You are right, it probably would have been hampered some, and it wouldn’t reach a billion like RO, but it definitely would have been much more successful.

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as i said earlier in this thread:

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If TLJ had left SW fans excited, they would have beaten a path to the theater for Solo, irrespective of the month or hour.

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Initial reactions certainly included "but why?"

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Of the people who didn't want the movie, that was a small minority. Most didn't want to see anyone other than Ford play Han.

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No need, because I never made that claim.

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Solo tanked/bombed/failed/underperformed. It didn't do so in any way because of what was released 4 weeks before it. Your "claim" was a strawman about a family of 6 not going to see 3 movies in 3 weeks.

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It doesn't seem like you know what hypocrisy means. I've never once said that TLJ had no impact on Solo. Not once.

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Don't divert. We aren't talking about "no impact". We are talking about most impact. All that negativity from TLJ had the most impact on Solo. Changing directors (production problems), from an audience point of view, almost none.

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Every single one of those statements is completely accurate.

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False. It's not going to make money. It's going to lose money. And in the context of the quote, you were replying to someone (Breesus, the pussy) who was arguing that Solo would do exactly what it did. People are welcome to read

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It has grossed ~$400 million worldwide.

I wager that it would make at least $400 million domestic had the enthusiasm been there.

You would likely disagree with that, but that would put it at about $600 million globally.

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It's at 315 globally and will struggle to hit 400 total. Pretending TLJ was good and going with 400 domestic, the foreign take would be around 400 also giving it an 800 global take.

Given the falling trend that was TLJ after week one (global projections were 1.8 billlion and it ended at 1.3), Disney has possibly lost $900 mill due to the TLJ failure between both films.

I find it a hilariously stupid argument that this movie didn't make money because of the timing of its release or because of some kind of star wars fatigue.

This movie didn't make as much money as it should have first and foremost because its parent studio is a defunct and pathetic sham of a movie studio.

Forget all the of the "toxic fan base" and "ruined my childhood" and whatever else star wars related stuff.

This studio thought it was a good idea to make a trilogy with no plan, no set story arc, three diffent directors and writers, and apparently no oversight and complete autonomy between films.

Can you name me another franchise or studio that did that much less a successful example of that?

So this studio proved itself to be an incredibly terrible studio. And it showed everyone just how terrible it was with TLJ. So people didn't want to see Solo because it was another movie produced by a studio that proved it has no idea what it's doing.

You take that and you add in the problems TLJ presented to the trilogy it is in, the problems TLJ provided to the Star Wars IP, the treatment of the fanabse after TLJ and you get the problem we have now.

What's even worse is Solo is by all accounts an enjoyable movie. It had a competent cast and final director and Kasdin helped write it. Even good word of mouth and a competent movie couldn't pull the studio and Star Wars out of the mess TLJ and R. Johnson put it in. I don't know what can outside of firing Kennedy and retconing all of the last trilogy out of existence. Just hit the reset button.

As for the line argonaut keeps spouting about "it made money". Sure. It made money. But it fell hundreds of millions short of projections.

If I go pitch my boss a new sales strategy that will make our company a million dollars, and I spend all the time and money implementing it, and at the end of the day it makes the company $10 instead of a million, do you think his reaction will be "hey, at least we made $10" or "hey what the frick happened and how did we fall this short of the mark"?

That was in reference to the conversation linked only.

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I believe that, at a minimum though, it would make at least $200 million more than it has.

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That's a more reasonable number globally.

You actually don't have the worst quote from that thread.

skyraper:

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I could open a movie called "Open Faced Sandwich: A Star Wars Story" and it would make $300 million domestic.

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Apparently not.

ETA: Didn't think this needed another thread bump so here are the tuesday totals

Daily Box Office Top 7 for Tuesday, June 12, 2018

1. #Oceans8 - $6.21M
2. #SoloAStarWarsStory - $2.27M
3. #Deadpool2 - $2.07M
4. #Hereditary - $1.96M
5. #Avengers #InfinityWar - $1.18M
6. #BookClub - $1.01M
7. #Adrift - $917K

Puts Solo just above 180 domestic. Tracking for about an $8 million 4th weekend. 4th weekend was also the last weekend TLJ grossed higher than RO at 23 mill vs 22 mill.

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Of the people who didn't want the movie, that was a small minority.

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Wrong.

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Solo tanked/bombed/failed/underperformed. It didn't do so in any way because of what was released 4 weeks before it. Your "claim" was a strawman about a family of 6 not going to see 3 movies in 3 weeks.

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Just admit that you're making shite up. Again.

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Don't divert. 

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This is coming from the guy asking me to defend claims I never made...

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We aren't talking about "no impact". 

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Right, so stop trying to change that.

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It's not going to make money.

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It's already made money.