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Let’s Talk Toxic Masculinity in Braveheart, Gladiator, The Northman, and …..

Posted on 12/27/22 at 9:47 pm
Posted by Lsudx256
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 9:47 pm
It’s present. It’s prevalent, it’s non-apologetic, and it’s glorious.
We need more movies like this so we don’t have to worry about giving 40 year old men Testosterone shots when they start getting older. These movies make men. We need that in society.
These new “Super Hero” types like Tom Holland, Andrew Garfield, Tobey Maguire, and Mark Ruffalo need to disappear so kids don’t think having the physique of a 12 year old girl is heroic.
Posted by DCtiger1
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 9:51 pm to
Weird you cherry picked those examples
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 10:06 pm to
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Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:41 am to
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These new “Super Hero” types like Tom Holland, Andrew Garfield, Tobey Maguire, and Mark Ruffalo need to disappear so kids don’t think having the physique of a 12 year old girl is heroic.


So the three Peter Parkers (who, at best, is depicted as lean with definition, which honestly Holland actually has) and Bruce Banner (who transforms into the behemoth).

Considering Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Pratt, etc... your examples don't make sense.

Or do you prefer your comic book heroes all drawn by Rob Liefeld?

Posted by biglego
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:46 am to
Gotdam. What was he trying to draw
Posted by RoyalAir
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 4:35 am to
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What was he trying to draw





Oh, that's not even a top-10 Liefeld disaster. Dude has no idea what a human female actually looks like. Or a human foot, for that matter.
Posted by Armymann50
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 4:58 am to
Posted by YNWA
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 6:06 am to
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Mark Ruffalo 


Mark Ruffalo has the same physique as Mel Gibson and more in shape than Russel Crowe in Gladiator. It's not like Gibson and Crowe are big hulking guys. They are actors playing a role in action movies. I guess because they are all sweaty and dirty in those roles that turns you on? So we need more sweaty, dirty men action movies? Whatever gets you off brother.
Posted by AUCom96
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 6:42 am to
Mark Ruffalo has all the intensity and on-screen charisma of a wet turnip.

Gibson made you forget his physique.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 6:48 am to
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Gibson made you forget his physique.


And, while not over 6 feet tall, Gibson isn’t really a small guy. I mean he’s 5’10”. Also, Gibson is a pretty damn good actor, Ruffalo isn’t in the same class.

You could say the same for Russell Crowe. He’s about 6 feet tall. And is a much better actor than little bitch Mark Ruffalo.
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 6:51 am
Posted by grizzlylongcut
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 6:49 am to
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Mark Ruffalo has the same physique as Mel Gibson and more in shape than Russel Crowe in Gladiator. It's not like Gibson and Crowe are big hulking guys. They are actors playing a role in action movies. I guess because they are all sweaty and dirty in those roles that turns you on? So we need more sweaty, dirty men action movies? Whatever gets you off brother.


I think you misunderstand the entire bullshite concept of “toxic” masculinity.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 7:59 am to
The villains are toxic. The male leads are heroic.

We've culturally gone full retard with the idea of toxic attached to a gender term. Leadership and strength are being intentionally misunderstood to be bad when portrayed in men.

This is sexism by any rational definition
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:11 am to
Spiderman has always been a leaner built character. But the treatment of Hulk, that's outright pathetic. Ruffalo is a lunatic soyboy himself, so I'm sure he was all on board, if not the one pushing hard on the 'professor Hulk' narrative, full tilt.
Posted by i am dan
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:12 am to
Not sure if you have noticed or not, but it seems like most males in the younger generations don't act like real men.

These types of movies probably intimidate them and makes them have anxiety attacks.
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 8:16 am
Posted by i am dan
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:14 am to
quote:

Mark Ruffalo has the same physique as Mel Gibson and more in shape than Russel Crowe in Gladiator. It's not like Gibson and Crowe are big hulking guys. They are actors playing a role in action movies. I guess because they are all sweaty and dirty in those roles that turns you on? So we need more sweaty, dirty men action movies? Whatever gets you off brother.


This is the type of "man" I'm talking about in my previous post.

Looking through his post history... yep, exactly the pussy bitch I'm talking about.
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 8:15 am
Posted by Nutriaitch
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:22 am to
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These new “Super Hero” types like Tom Holland


Spider-man is supposed to be a high school kid.
so he should be lean and cut, but not huge by any stretch.

and has been since his creation several decades before any body bitched about things like this.
Posted by oogabooga68
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:48 am to
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Or do you prefer your comic book heroes all drawn by Rob Liefeld?


Liefield couldn't hold Bernie Wrightson's jock strap....

...or Frazetta's......or....or.....
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:48 am to
Imagine starting a thread telling the world you define your masculinity by what mass media you consume. And that you not only fail to see the irony in that, you want to promote that for others.

This is maybe the perfect example of man-children behavior. Grown men hyper pissed at the world because of changes in mass media that they use to define their identity. So those changes literally become an affront to their very being, because their very being is defined by little more than the media they consume, with their hyper tribalist politics serving as an underlying religion.

…Which aren’t even good examples. You listed 3 actors playing the role of Spider Man. Are you under the impression that Spider Man was ever something other than an awkward nerdy teen with one-liners that managed to gain superpowers? There is nothing about that character that screams Arnold Schwarzenegger or Maximus Aurelius. Same with the Hulk. The character is literally a weakling scientist with repressed anger issues that transforms and loses control of his body to that rage due to gamma rays, but Bruce Banner is not some model of 80’s and 90’s action hero lol. Or would ever be conceived as some sort of healthy role model for young men. If anything much of his story is a cautionary tale to men about the very sort of repressed anger the OP is signaling, and that if you can’t get it under control it will consume you and turn you into a monster
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 8:53 am
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:56 am to
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These new “Super Hero” types like Tom Holland, Andrew Garfield, Tobey Maguire, and Mark Ruffalo need to disappear so kids don’t think having the physique of a 12 year old girl is heroic.


Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans. On the DC side Henry Cavill, Jason Mamoa, Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson

Chris Pratt full on changed his body for the role of Star-Lord.



Also, this is what Spider-Man (Tom Holland, Andrew Garfield, and Toby Maguire) are supposed to look like (from 1963). He’s not bulky like the others.





If you want to critique content of scripts have it but your original premise of physique in super hero roles are flat out dumb and a falsehood at that.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:17 am to
Yeah this is a silly thread as constructed.

If you are a man in the DC or MC universe, other than characters specifically written as everymen(which basically amounts to the only two characters the OP picked), you basically get cast and put on a diet of HGH and two-a-day high intensity training sessions for the entirety of your contract

That’s not even talking about action films outside Marvel/DC like Daniel Craig as Bond, Tom Cruise in MI or Top Gun, Michael B Jordan in Creed, Keanu Reeves in John Wick, Vin Diesel/The Rock/Statham in F&F, or really any Boomer action movie starring Gerald Butler. Hell, The Northman was released literally last year.

Hollywood is not short on films featuring men in classic archetypal hero roles. And OP even lists one of the recent ones….But when you want to see yourself as the victim, you will go looking for things to feel victimized about.
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 9:19 am
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