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Let's talk about the force vision from TFA. (Obvious spoilers)
Posted on 12/29/15 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 12/29/15 at 5:29 pm
This part of the movie happens so fast that really analyzing it is impossible right now without being shady and having access to TFA online which I am not above. I've watched the vision many times trying to sort it out.
I took some screenshots but pretty sure I shouldn't post them but here are my thoughts:
She is standing in a hallway at first with Vader breathing. I'm not sure what the hallway is but it looks like the detention center on the Death Star from ANH. Nothing particularly interesting there.
Then she sees Luke reaching up to touch R2 which is in the trailer. Not much there.
There are two scenes in the vision that pay off.
The first is this guy from a POV perspective about to deliver a kill stroke when he is killed by what is clearly Kylo Ren's saber through the back:
This guy is an Inquisitor and is canonized by Rebels. He is a Jedi hunter.
I caught that first watch.
Why would Kylo Ren kill a guy on "his side?" Was my question at the time not being able to stop and think about it.
The other scene that is interesting is a young Rey screaming "Come back!" to a ship flying away. I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole and don't vouch for this, but she sure seems like she yells "Mom!" after that. The hand that holds her arm and says "Be quiet girl" appears to be the junk dealer.
Now, listening to various podcasts, a lot of people think that Rey had her mind wiped when she was left on Jakku. Her yelling for the ship to come back suggests that isn't the case.
I don't know.
What I do know is that it appears Ben Solo (or Kylo Ren) saved Rey from death and killed an Inquisitor to do so. That is very interesting.
I took some screenshots but pretty sure I shouldn't post them but here are my thoughts:
She is standing in a hallway at first with Vader breathing. I'm not sure what the hallway is but it looks like the detention center on the Death Star from ANH. Nothing particularly interesting there.
Then she sees Luke reaching up to touch R2 which is in the trailer. Not much there.
There are two scenes in the vision that pay off.
The first is this guy from a POV perspective about to deliver a kill stroke when he is killed by what is clearly Kylo Ren's saber through the back:
This guy is an Inquisitor and is canonized by Rebels. He is a Jedi hunter.
I caught that first watch.
Why would Kylo Ren kill a guy on "his side?" Was my question at the time not being able to stop and think about it.
The other scene that is interesting is a young Rey screaming "Come back!" to a ship flying away. I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole and don't vouch for this, but she sure seems like she yells "Mom!" after that. The hand that holds her arm and says "Be quiet girl" appears to be the junk dealer.
Now, listening to various podcasts, a lot of people think that Rey had her mind wiped when she was left on Jakku. Her yelling for the ship to come back suggests that isn't the case.
I don't know.
What I do know is that it appears Ben Solo (or Kylo Ren) saved Rey from death and killed an Inquisitor to do so. That is very interesting.
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 5:39 pm
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Posted on 12/29/15 at 5:34 pm to Scoop
The hallway is on Bespin. You can just barely hear Luke yell "Noooooooooo".
Edit: Also, I think we should do a fact accumulation thread. No suppositions regarding the information. Simply build a list of as many hidden or potentially multi-faceted facts as we can.
Then we start writing suppositions regarding what the accumulated facts mean.
Edit: Also, I think we should do a fact accumulation thread. No suppositions regarding the information. Simply build a list of as many hidden or potentially multi-faceted facts as we can.
Then we start writing suppositions regarding what the accumulated facts mean.
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 12/29/15 at 5:36 pm to Scoop
I think it's one of those scenes we will speculate on for a while but will really just be answered in the next 2 movies.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 5:37 pm to VaBamaMan
Ok.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 5:39 pm to Scoop
Sorry dude, thought you would like to know.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 5:40 pm to Scoop
The hallway which she stands in at the beginning of her vision is a hallway in Bespin where Luke first faces Vader.
It can be said that she has had her mind wiped or her memories blocked for more than a few reasons. Mazda tells her that the Force has been there all along, and Rey agrees. Ren can see that Rey has visions of an ocean and an island. Rey slowly yet quickly does things that take other Jedis much longer. Maybe she was trained earlier by Luke before she was sent to Jakku (she was the same age as other younglings).
It can be said that she has had her mind wiped or her memories blocked for more than a few reasons. Mazda tells her that the Force has been there all along, and Rey agrees. Ren can see that Rey has visions of an ocean and an island. Rey slowly yet quickly does things that take other Jedis much longer. Maybe she was trained earlier by Luke before she was sent to Jakku (she was the same age as other younglings).
Posted on 12/29/15 at 5:42 pm to lsufan9193969700
Kenobi calls out to her. We can also hear Yoda's voice. Have they been watching over her?
Posted on 12/29/15 at 5:48 pm to lsufan9193969700
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Ren can see that Rey has visions of an ocean and an island.
But Luke didn't go there until after she was on Jakku if we take the ages and timing of everyone at face value.
Ren tell her this is her imagination when she is lonely, and unable to sleep at night.
I took this part to mean 1 of three things.
1) She can see the future.
2) She is strong enough to pull images from those she concentrates on, in this case her father, despite not knowing who he is.
3) Luke was feeding her mind images as a way to soothe her, and to ease her pain. Or to give her something to search for.
Just my 2 cents. The island and ocean are definitely post Kylo slaughtering the Jedi though.
I do think Kylo saved her in the flashback.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 5:59 pm to Scoop
quote:
What I do know is that it appears Ben Solo (or Kylo Ren) saved Rey from death and killed an Inquisitor to do so. That is very interesting.
I thought it was this guy who died:
Posted on 12/29/15 at 6:02 pm to BulldogXero
No. It is the 5th brother from Rebels.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 6:03 pm to VaBamaMan
I know the visions are post-Jakku...but it still fits my narrative. Having her memory cleared or blocked would mean that she doesn't understand her powers and simply thinks those visions are random.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 6:03 pm to Scoop
quote:
No. It is the 5th brother from Rebels.
Confirmed when?
Posted on 12/29/15 at 6:13 pm to Scoop
Definitely the junk dealer (or someone his same species) that takes her hand when she's screaming come back. the hands and voice are the same.
Why would Luke (or anyone) leave her on Jakku? Didn't they just have a huge battle on Jakku? Where does that batle fit in the time line?
I looked at the other objects in the box with Luke's saber. Not much to see except for some hairbraid looking thing. I think there are some other objects on that basement though. But I guess her temple is destroyed now. But Maz is still alive, right?
Why would Luke (or anyone) leave her on Jakku? Didn't they just have a huge battle on Jakku? Where does that batle fit in the time line?
I looked at the other objects in the box with Luke's saber. Not much to see except for some hairbraid looking thing. I think there are some other objects on that basement though. But I guess her temple is destroyed now. But Maz is still alive, right?
Posted on 12/29/15 at 6:15 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
quote:
I looked at the other objects in the box with Luke's saber. Not much to see except for some hairbraid looking thing. I think there are some other objects on that basement though. But I guess her temple is destroyed now. But Maz is still alive, right?
The movie kinda forgets about her so no idea
Posted on 12/29/15 at 6:18 pm to BulldogXero
I believe she is alive. She barely came out of the rubble to remind Fin about the lightsaber. The troops left later without any orders to "kill them all."
We'll see though...
We'll see though...
Posted on 12/29/15 at 6:27 pm to BulldogXero
quote:
The movie kinda forgets about her so no idea
Her scenes later in the movie were cut. She was supposed to hand the lightsaber to Leia:
LINK
So I guess she's still alive technically, if they stick to what this scene was supposed to be. I thought I remembered the movie showing her later on but I'm probably just remembering wrong.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 6:37 am to lsufan9193969700
quote:I read yesterday that Lupita Nyong'o, who plays Maz, will be in episode VIII.
I believe she is alive. She barely came out of the rubble to remind Fin about the lightsaber. The troops left later without any orders to "kill them all."
Posted on 12/30/15 at 7:10 am to VaBamaMan
Posted on 12/30/15 at 7:21 am to Scoop
Something I haven't seen anyone mention yet: in the scene showing the knights of ren in the rain, assuming that's what they are, Kylo Ren is the only one with a lightsaber.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 7:51 am to Merck
All those dead bodies really show that the size of the class of Jedi that Luke was training.
Wasnt sure if it was a small class or not.
Wasnt sure if it was a small class or not.
This post was edited on 12/30/15 at 7:52 am
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