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re: Kyle Chandler To Star as Hal Jordan. Update: Aaron Pierre is John Stewart
Posted on 9/28/24 at 6:16 pm to ThoseGuys
Posted on 9/28/24 at 6:16 pm to ThoseGuys
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I truly believe there are people on this board who do not believe a non-white person can reasonably be cast in anything and the only time they actually get a role it's only because DEI. Similarly how any non-white person working an above entry level job only is doing so because of affirmative action because they can't possibly be qualified on their own.
No one on this board believes this. You want to say that there are people who are suspicious every time they see it? That's true. Include me in that. We're suspicious BECAUSE OF the existence of DEI to begin with.
No one, at least no one among the regular posters, believes what you've just said. That's absolute nonsense.
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Posted on 9/29/24 at 1:31 pm to Sam Quint
bullshite. So much bullshite.
Any time a new movie or TV comes out people on here will say DEI within the first five post if the main character is not a white male. They don't care what the movie is about and it's always the same shite, "we only claim DEI because it's always DEI!".
Any time a new movie or TV comes out people on here will say DEI within the first five post if the main character is not a white male. They don't care what the movie is about and it's always the same shite, "we only claim DEI because it's always DEI!".
Posted on 9/29/24 at 3:39 pm to ThoseGuys
Ok dude. We're all a bunch of Nazi who truly believe that minorities are literally incapable being good actors. That makes way more sense than what I said. You're right.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 4:45 pm to ThoseGuys
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Any time a new movie or TV comes out people on here will say DEI within the first five post if the main character is not a white male. They don't care what the movie is about and it's always the same shite, "we only claim DEI because it's always DEI!".
Well, Hollywood did come out and say the male and pale is stale and that DEI is the priority for crew and casting going forward. So I don't know why you're mad that people are pointing out that Hollywood is doing exactly what Hollywood said they would do. Perhaps your anger would be better placed at the Tinseltown execs instead of strangers on the internet. If they hadn't publically taken so many of the stances that they have then none of us would ever have to wonder if a woman or minority casting was based on true artistic and storytelling reasons or just because Hollywood has decided that male and pale is stale.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 4:49 pm to Psych23
These people are all liars. They don’t want you saying the truth out loud even though the studios they defend openly admit to these things. It’s pure gaslighting.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 5:32 pm to Psych23
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Perhaps your anger would be better placed at the Tinseltown execs instead of strangers on the internet.
Wouldn’t it make more sense for the people that meltdown every time a woman or minority is cast in a movie to place their anger with those execs instead of coming here to cry at a bunch of strangers on the internet?
Posted on 9/29/24 at 5:40 pm to Esquire
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Wouldn’t it make more sense for the people that meltdown every time a woman or minority is cast in a movie to place their anger with those execs instead of coming here to cry at a bunch of strangers on the internet?
No. Also this is a discussion board for the movie and TV industry. All of those things are part of the industry.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:32 pm to ThoseGuys
quote:Blue Eye Samurai, Equalizer films, Wonder Woman, etc.
Any time a new movie or TV comes out people on here will say DEI within the first five post if the main character is not a white male.
All have non-white-male leads. All generally loved by this board.
So, I dunno man.
Seems like you all paint yourselves in a corner of total bullshite, to avoid conceding that the other side may have a point here and there.
So we end up with one side declaring it's all DEI, and the other side arguing that nothing is DEI.
It is quite tiresome
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:34 pm to Esquire
quote:Every time, huh?
Wouldn’t it make more sense for the people that meltdown every time a woman or minority is cast in a movie
You are an idiot.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 5:57 am to The Godfather
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No, People like that are ruining this place and I am sick of it. No one is doing anything about it so frick it.
so powerful and brave!
fricking dunce
Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:45 am to Sam Quint
I never used the term Nazi. Sorry you are so sensitive that you have to think anyone who disagrees with you is the same as calling you a Nazi.
There is a guy right under your post saying Hollywood always does it. People on here are claiming if you don't say they do it all the time than you're burying your head in the sand or gaslighting people.
My argument would be that you can tell when they are doing it for DEI and when they are just pitching a shite idea. The all female Ghostbusters remake was a bad idea. They wanted to redo Ghostbusters but make it different enough to justify it. They went all female because that's easy to be different. They got a lot of shite for it and for some reason decided to lean so hard into it that they alienate the entire fan base you would make a Ghostbusters movie. It was the worst example of Hollywood marketing ever. It was basically the reverse Ryan Reynolds.
Rings of Power or Star Wars Force Awakens are both DEI crap. They make their choices based more on diversity rather than "hey this would be different" or "this is the best actor/actress for the role".
The new anime based on Lord of the Rings is a good example. The director has a long history of having a strong female as the main character. So if you see him directing something and it has a strong female as the lead, don't start acting shocked and angry. It's not DEI, it's the director's MO. I'm not shocked when Martin Scorsese directs a movie and it's about gangs.
There is about 4 or 5 posters on here who regularly post who always claim DEI about everything. Then we have about 3 or 4 posters who always defend DEI. And somehow every thread devolves into DEI discussions rather than any talk about the actual movie or TV show. There is a number of posters here who are tired of it but when we complain suddenly we get lumped into the DEI defenders because God forbid we actually try to talk about the actual movie or TV rather than all the backstage shite.
There is a guy right under your post saying Hollywood always does it. People on here are claiming if you don't say they do it all the time than you're burying your head in the sand or gaslighting people.
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So we end up with one side declaring it's all DEI, and the other side arguing that nothing is DEI.
My argument would be that you can tell when they are doing it for DEI and when they are just pitching a shite idea. The all female Ghostbusters remake was a bad idea. They wanted to redo Ghostbusters but make it different enough to justify it. They went all female because that's easy to be different. They got a lot of shite for it and for some reason decided to lean so hard into it that they alienate the entire fan base you would make a Ghostbusters movie. It was the worst example of Hollywood marketing ever. It was basically the reverse Ryan Reynolds.
Rings of Power or Star Wars Force Awakens are both DEI crap. They make their choices based more on diversity rather than "hey this would be different" or "this is the best actor/actress for the role".
The new anime based on Lord of the Rings is a good example. The director has a long history of having a strong female as the main character. So if you see him directing something and it has a strong female as the lead, don't start acting shocked and angry. It's not DEI, it's the director's MO. I'm not shocked when Martin Scorsese directs a movie and it's about gangs.
There is about 4 or 5 posters on here who regularly post who always claim DEI about everything. Then we have about 3 or 4 posters who always defend DEI. And somehow every thread devolves into DEI discussions rather than any talk about the actual movie or TV show. There is a number of posters here who are tired of it but when we complain suddenly we get lumped into the DEI defenders because God forbid we actually try to talk about the actual movie or TV rather than all the backstage shite.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 8:45 am to bcoop199
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Literally for years on this board people were told it's not happening. Now when it's no longer possible to claim it isn't we're told to not mention it.lol Don't blame us for pointing it out, blame Hollywood for doing it.
This board, like many others, does a decent job of recognizing, and speaking up, when they feel entertainment is produced soley to elicit ideological change. While I get change, entertainment has always made room for social commentary, this is different. These are not shows about the dangers of political corruption, polluting the environment, drug abuse, or unfairness when it comes to race, poverty, etc.
Today’s Hollywood seeks ideological shifts and will demonize one to disagree. All confirmed by the creators / directors / actors themselves. The Acolyte is the perfect example. The animated Buzz Lightyear and Strange Worlds movies, To a lesser extent, The Little Mermaid.
To ask people to be silent about it is not going to happen here. Ever.
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 8:49 am
Posted on 9/30/24 at 9:14 am to ThoseGuys
quote:I get lumped into whichever category people want to argue against.
There is about 4 or 5 posters on here who regularly post who always claim DEI about everything. Then we have about 3 or 4 posters who always defend DEI. And somehow every thread devolves into DEI discussions rather than any talk about the actual movie or TV show. There is a number of posters here who are tired of it but when we complain suddenly we get lumped into the DEI defenders because God forbid we actually try to talk about the actual movie or TV rather than all the backstage shite.
I don't like the "girlboss" or the "girl who is the key to everything" tropes. Not because of DEI, mind you. I agree with Emily Blount. They are tired and overdone, and people are rolling their eyes and tuning out.
Movies and shows will autocorrect, but it will take time. Much of what you see released, was filmed before Hollywood remembered who pays their bills.
I expect "the message" will be more subtle going forward. Recent box office and ratings #'s have spooked the right people
Posted on 9/30/24 at 9:38 am to ThoseGuys
What you don’t seem to understand is that DEI is now baked into to cake. Every major studio production has DEI. You can’t get funding for a big budget film/show without it anymore so your argument just doesn’t hold water factually.
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 9:40 am
Posted on 9/30/24 at 9:52 am to Madking
Didn't the Academy say you can't be nominated unless DEI quotas are met?
I am pretty sure that happened
I am pretty sure that happened
Posted on 9/30/24 at 9:57 am to Roaad
Yes and they’re heavy handed with it.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 11:48 am to Roaad
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Seems like you all paint yourselves in a corner of total bullshite, to avoid conceding that the other side may have a point here and there.
Isn't this a thread about a white male being cast as a lead of a show with people throwing out worries and complaints about a black male character existing in the same show?
Even though that black character is over 50 years old and clearly established in the "lore" of DC? (Hal Jordan is only a decade or so older.)
Having multiple Green Lanterns in a comic was considered an awesome event. The only rumors around this show so far are that they are starting with something comics fans love. And people in here are arguing about stupid DEI stuff. Yes, whether you think it's a general issue or not, choosing this property as a battleground is stupid.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 11:55 am to Jay Are
quote:no
Isn't this a thread about a white male being cast as a lead of a show with people throwing out worries and complaints about a black male character existing in the same show?
It is a guy that made a comment that the movie may use a M-She-U trope of replacing an older male hero with a younger female hero that is already better at everything without really trying..
Then 2 or 3 pages of woke-scolds attacking that guy for saying that. . .and then it was off to the races for both groups.
Are there people complaining about John Stewart? He is suuuuper popular, so that would be odd. Next to Hal, he is probably the MOST popular GL.
The better complaint to make is the retcon to make Guy Gardner and Tim Drake gay.
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:35 pm to Roaad
There is absolutely no one complaining about John Stewart being the Green Lantern. That’s just stupid.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 1:08 pm to Bham4Tide
No the John Stewart think was started by me as part of an argument because the character was originally created to add more black super heroes. They replaced the white hero with a black hero purely to have more black heroes rather than make a new black hero. Granted Hal came back later, but there was never a guarantee that would happen. (EDIT) This statement is not a complaint about John Stewart. He is a great example of how good can come from decisions like this. He would have likely never existed otherwise and now he is one of the most beloved JL members out there.
The original complaint of this thread was that Hal was going to mentor a female character and have her take over i.e. Hawkeye.
There was then push back because there is zero evidence of this being the case.
That led to the current argument of Hollywood always does this, DEI, etc. vs why does every thread have to devolve into bitching about DEI?
My argument is that not every bad decision is simply DEI related. Not every minority cast in a role is because of DEI. But others are trying to argue that both "no we don't think any minority is cast because of DEI, some are very talented" while also still saying "every modern movie or TV show is made with DEI."
Some people on this board can and do make that distinction. Others on here (a vocal minority) absolutely do not. And I am not going to pretend we don't have a select number of posters who do this crap every thread.
The original complaint of this thread was that Hal was going to mentor a female character and have her take over i.e. Hawkeye.
There was then push back because there is zero evidence of this being the case.
That led to the current argument of Hollywood always does this, DEI, etc. vs why does every thread have to devolve into bitching about DEI?
My argument is that not every bad decision is simply DEI related. Not every minority cast in a role is because of DEI. But others are trying to argue that both "no we don't think any minority is cast because of DEI, some are very talented" while also still saying "every modern movie or TV show is made with DEI."
Some people on this board can and do make that distinction. Others on here (a vocal minority) absolutely do not. And I am not going to pretend we don't have a select number of posters who do this crap every thread.
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 1:11 pm
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