re: "Killers of the Flower Moon' Official Trailer #2

Looks great, will watch.

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i know there are exceptions, but please let me know the tribes that did not have rape, murder, and pillaging of other nations for 100 years before Europeans showed up.

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And let me know if there's any race that hasn't raped, murdered, and pillaged other races. Bringing that stuff up in here just gives fodder to those looking to justify the world as woke, and rationalizing the mistreatment of others. Yeah, Native Americans have a bloody past, as do we all. But it doesn't mitigate the fact that the murders in this case are singularly horrifying due to the level of duplicity that inserted the killers into those families.

The natives were less than a generation away from killing their own people and whites. The whites were lynching blacks at 60 a year. Everybody was terrible. Every race still has murderous assholes. But none of that should lessen the importance of this one, horrifying instance that showed how far men would go to satiate their greed.

you people misunderstand me.

my initial post in this thread is saying that white people did very bad things to the Osage Indian Tribe. I was calling out people trying to say "woke garbage" or "revisionist history" instead of actually reading about what the story really does entail without any "woke points" for modern sensitivities.

i was trying to say (however poorly) "hey i'm not some bleeding heart liberal on our treatment of the Native Americans it was awful. They were terrible. We were terrible. I don't buy into most woke virtue signaling, but this is a real story about how a bunch of white people married into the Osage tribe and started killing off family members to increase their share of the oil money"

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The natives were less than a generation away from killing their own people and whites. The whites were lynching blacks at 60 a year. Everybody was terrible. Every race still has murderous assholes.

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Agreed and that's why I said the indian wars and our treatment was atrocious, but I'm still glad America won them. The world wouldn't be a better place if America had been beaten back to the East Coast and Mexico kept south of the Rio Grande.

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But none of that should lessen the importance of this one, horrifying instance that showed how far men would go to satiate their greed.

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this is what i was trying to get across in my initial post. no matter your opinion on the treatment of native Americans, these guys were terrible and did terrible things in the name of greed. it's a fascinating story.

There seems to be a whole lot of people in this thread who think every Indian tribe was the same.

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When my grandparents were already adults. It's not ancient history.

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Of course not.

Most historians regard the ancient period as having ended in the year AD 476 with the collapse of the Western Roman Empire. However, it's well outside of living memory and is thus "ancient" to us who are alive today. The fact that your grandparents were adults during this period says more about YOUR age than it does about the recency of the Osage Murders. The Civil War was still well within living memory when this shite went down.

My grandfather was a World War II veteran and he was barely in elementary school when the killings finally stopped.

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This thread is nuts. fricking nuts. Anyway, I only have like 3 hours left till I finish the book!

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I'm almost done with it also. It's the first time in a long time that I've read the book before the movie.

This story sets up to be pretty good movie wise. I'm sure there will be liberties taken, but seems like they could stay pretty damn close to the source material.

Just from looking at the cast it seems we won't get much of the "birth of the FBI" side but that might be ok. Lots of good actors (& musicians) in this one so I'm pretty excited for it.


ETA: Found from the internet

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In January 2023, Gladstone said that the input of the Osage Nation greatly changed the film from what Scorsese had originally envisioned and that their collaboration had positively affected the film, stating in an interview at the 2023 Sundance Film Festival that "The work is better when you let the world inform your work

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Frequent Scorsese collaborator Robbie Robertson of The Band composed the score,[48] which critics have described as "old-timey",[49] "bluesy",[48] and "percussive".[50] The film also features a soundtrack of popular music from the 1920s and Native American songs.[48] It was Robertson's final completed film score before he died in August 2023.

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Part 1 will be the easiest to translate but the intricacies of who all is involved and the aftermath could get complicated.

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Yeah, that makes sense. I feel like Part 2 with White's background will take the biggest hit but who knows. It has a 206 minute run time.

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I love that Jesse Plemons is playing White. That’s going to be a great fit I think.

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I thought the same thing. As I was reading the book, I kept wondering who would be able to play him and Jesse Plemons will do a great job. He has that low key serious tone that will probably work very well.