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re: Just finished watching Once upon a time in Hollywood and I just don't get it
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:07 pm to nateslu1
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:07 pm to nateslu1
EDIT: My bad. Has spoiler. Sorry.
I'll give my opinion. IMO, some of his films come off as adult fairy tales insofar as they have a "happy" ending.
Hitler and his henchmen die. War over. Mother and daughter ride off in their Karman Ghia into the sunset happily ever after. Fighter and his girlfriend ride motorcycle into the sunset happily ever after even up with Marcellus. The kind of resolutions and "happy" endings we want.
OUATIH is that happy ending to a horror story that killed the romantic notions of "The Summer of Love".
It ends at the Tate/Polanski gate, up the drive to a pleasant social gathering among neighbors. The Polanski child presumably is born, Sharon et al live all happily ever after. Is there a hint in the resolution that Polanski, occupied by a beautiful wife and child and a demanding career as a director, doesn't become a rapist and criminal recluse?
My friends and I were 15-17 when the murders occurred, chasing girls, playing sports in school and music gigs at night and on weekends. Everyone knew who Tate and Polanski were, seen their movies and had posters of Tate in our rooms and had begun drinking and experimenting with drugs. And really trying to adopt and adapt to the SoCal culture insofar as we understood it and could grove with it based on our ages, our parents, our coaches and zeitgeist of New Orleans in the mid to late 60's.
It's difficult to relate the shadow the murders cast over our whole scene. Tarantino has given us a happy ending in an alternate universe to a nightmare in ours. I get to leave the theater smiling and thinking...what if?
Despite his relatively young age compared to me, Tarantino has, IMO, tapped into that with his "fairy tale" approach to the subject, his deft handling of the SoCal vibe and scene, and the film's denouement.
That being said, It's been one of my favorite movies of all time though I know that's a very subjective opinion.
That's my take on answering your question.
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Sure there was good acting but what the hell was the point of this movie?
I'll give my opinion. IMO, some of his films come off as adult fairy tales insofar as they have a "happy" ending.
Hitler and his henchmen die. War over. Mother and daughter ride off in their Karman Ghia into the sunset happily ever after. Fighter and his girlfriend ride motorcycle into the sunset happily ever after even up with Marcellus. The kind of resolutions and "happy" endings we want.
OUATIH is that happy ending to a horror story that killed the romantic notions of "The Summer of Love".
It ends at the Tate/Polanski gate, up the drive to a pleasant social gathering among neighbors. The Polanski child presumably is born, Sharon et al live all happily ever after. Is there a hint in the resolution that Polanski, occupied by a beautiful wife and child and a demanding career as a director, doesn't become a rapist and criminal recluse?
My friends and I were 15-17 when the murders occurred, chasing girls, playing sports in school and music gigs at night and on weekends. Everyone knew who Tate and Polanski were, seen their movies and had posters of Tate in our rooms and had begun drinking and experimenting with drugs. And really trying to adopt and adapt to the SoCal culture insofar as we understood it and could grove with it based on our ages, our parents, our coaches and zeitgeist of New Orleans in the mid to late 60's.
It's difficult to relate the shadow the murders cast over our whole scene. Tarantino has given us a happy ending in an alternate universe to a nightmare in ours. I get to leave the theater smiling and thinking...what if?
Despite his relatively young age compared to me, Tarantino has, IMO, tapped into that with his "fairy tale" approach to the subject, his deft handling of the SoCal vibe and scene, and the film's denouement.
That being said, It's been one of my favorite movies of all time though I know that's a very subjective opinion.
That's my take on answering your question.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 2:27 pm
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:39 pm to nateslu1
quote:No, you only saw him once in the movie I think, very briefly.
Maybe I missed something but did they kill off Charlie Manson in the movie?
The group of crazies at the end that tried to kill Brad Pitt but he handled them...in real life that group killed Sharon Tate. Everyone went into the movie not really knowing if they'd show that piece or how exactly it would end.
The movie tells a story with an alternate, happier ending.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:55 pm to DownSouthJukin
quote:So you think the movie would have been better if it were another 1 hour longer and after the big scene, they went on to force feed you exactly how Dalton/Tate's lives would have gone from that point on?
Dalton got a connection for a possible hookup for a movie and Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski went on to something is pretty easy to get-but what hookup did Dalton get and where did it lead and what did Tate and Polanski go on to do?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 2:04 pm to shel311
One of the most overrated movies in history
Posted on 2/12/20 at 2:26 pm to Hubbhogg
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Manson murders
Yeah it presents an alternative history on that, but it also deals with how the whole culture of Hollywood had been changing in Hollywood and leaving guys like the DiCaprio character behind....it's sort of a what if Sharon Tate does not get killed and the Manson Kids pick the wrong house, pay the price for their mistake......what would Polanski have done in the aftermath?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 2:33 pm to boxcarbarney
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This is why you couldn't appreciate it. The Tate murder looms over the whole movie. I was really reluctant to see it knowing how it would end.
The alternate ending was a relief after 2 hours of dreading seeing a pregnant woman getting murdered on screen.
I knew the history and understand some of the complaints.
I enjoyed the movie and thought it was hilarious but Leo's character didn't really have a significant role to the story. I'm actually not even sure how Brad Pitt was nominated for best supporting actor as he was really the main character.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 3:28 pm to nateslu1
It's a Boomer nostalgia movie.
I thought it was alright, but my Father in Law couldnt stop pointing out all the obscure late 60s references. Was very into it.
The alternate reality ending echoes what Tarantino did with Inglorious Basterds (which was a way better movie btw).
I think wish fulfillment or fantasies about "what could have happened to bad people to make things better" is kind of his thing now.
Mid to low tier of the Tarantino films (which still makes it pretty good)
I thought it was alright, but my Father in Law couldnt stop pointing out all the obscure late 60s references. Was very into it.
The alternate reality ending echoes what Tarantino did with Inglorious Basterds (which was a way better movie btw).
I think wish fulfillment or fantasies about "what could have happened to bad people to make things better" is kind of his thing now.
Mid to low tier of the Tarantino films (which still makes it pretty good)
Posted on 2/12/20 at 5:03 pm to shel311
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No, you only saw him [Manson] once in the movie I think, very briefly.
If I'm remembering correctly that was Dewy Crowe from Justified.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 5:14 pm to nateslu1
I hate most of Tarantino's later work, but really enjoyed this film.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 5:28 pm to Pandy Fackler
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...a lot of twisted shite has happened since. shite that makes those murders look like child's play.
You have a high threshold for horror.
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Inside the house, Sharon Tate was pleading for her life, offering herself up as a hostage if they'd only let her live long enough to give birth to her child. It was unknown who killed Tate, but she was stabbed 16 times, and her unborn child was brutally cut out of her stomach. As she died, Tate repeatedly cried, "Mother, mother, mother". Grabbing the towel used to bind Frykowski, Atkins dipped it in Tate's blood, and wrote "PIG" on the front door of the house. The four removed their bloody clothing and discarded it in the thick shrub in the hills on their way back to the Spahn Ranch.
"The devil's business"
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:23 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:he´s been on a downward slide for awhile. Django and IB were bullshite, as well.
It may be the worst QT movie I’ve ever seen.
I enjoyed this movie more than the two I previously mentioned, however.
I cannot pretend to get into his psyche, but I do think he´s of a forced or non organic quirkiness, has strong opinions, and gets great performances out of actors.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 2/13/20 at 12:44 am to Dandy Lion
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he´s been on a downward slide for awhile. Django and IB were bullshite, as well.
For me, Django only became watchable when Jackson entered the picture and you're right on about Basterds, it was a big steamy pile 'a bullshite as well.
I don't think he's made anything worth a shite since the Bills.
I take that back. I liked Eight.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 1:08 am
Posted on 2/13/20 at 1:03 am to Mr. Misanthrope
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...a lot of twisted shite has happened since. shite that makes those murders look like child's play.
You have a high threshold for horror.
Look, i'm not saying the Manson murders weren't bad, they were. But in the last 50 years, either one of us could list a litany of crimes against people and children that make the manson murders look tame.
Fundamentally my point is that people can't be faulted nowadays for not knowing about all this Manson shite, it was last century. And if the only way to enjoy a movie about this stuff, is to know the history, then that's the problem of the movie maker, not the audience.
Quentin Tarantino made Hollywood for two kinds of people. People that knew the history of the Manson murders and would get the joke. And people that didn't know the history but were willing to research it.
Well I know the history but even if I didn't, I'm not doing a homework assignment and reading a few wiki pages before I see a movie, just so I can get the punch line of a really long winded joke.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 1:06 am
Posted on 2/13/20 at 8:42 am to tigahbruh
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It's a Boomer nostalgia movie.
This is bullshite. Most boomers aren't Tarantino fans.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 8:50 am to tigahbruh
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It's a Boomer nostalgia movie.
That's a part of it.
Nothing wrong with that.
People in here obsessed over the nostalgia of Stranger Things, but that wasn't the entire draw of the show.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 9:28 am
Posted on 2/13/20 at 9:10 am to Pandy Fackler
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Well I know the history but even if I didn't, I'm not doing a homework assignment and reading a few wiki pages before I see a movie, just so I can get the punch line of a really long winded joke.
Yes. I understand and agree with all your points. I admitted in my original post my liking it is subjective, me being, rather humorously, both types of his audience. It worked for me for reasons I mentioned in an earlier post.
The "high tolerance for horror" seemed aimed at you. It wasn't. It would have been better said "we", or "one" have/has a high tolerance for it just for the reasons you noted-brutality, cruelty, and mindless killings , year after year, piled one on top of the other. We get calloused.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 10:49 am to Dandy Lion
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It's a Boomer nostalgia movie.
This is bullshite. Most boomers aren't Tarantino fans.
You're right.
I think people are getting confused about what Boomers actually are.
It's a Boomer nostalgia movie.
This is bullshite. Most boomers aren't Tarantino fans.
You're right.
I think people are getting confused about what Boomers actually are.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 8:04 am to purple18
All of QT's are! He should be thankful that M Knight is still working so he's not the MOST overrated hack!
Posted on 2/14/20 at 8:37 am to LSUDonMCO
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All of QT's are! He should be thankful that M Knight is still working so he's not the MOST overrated hack!
Who the hell overrated MKS?
Some of you people spew out words without a second of thought put into them
Posted on 2/14/20 at 8:39 am to LSUDonMCO
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All of QT's are! He should be thankful that M Knight is still working so he's not the MOST overrated hack!
Wes Anderson might join this club, we'll see after this new movie of his.
I like most of his work but when your "quirky" movies start looking and sounding like every quirky movie you make, the novelty wears off and you're left with shite like Moonrise kingdom.
Out of the three though, Anderson probably has the greatest capacity to switch gears and maybe reinvent himself. Tarantino and Shalaman? I'm not so sure.
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