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Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:32 am to Roaad
I think the public response to suicide needs to be pretty nuanced.
On the one hand, you have to acknowledge that they must have been struggling with something beyond comprehension-that they were in a dark place no one should ever have to be in. It’s tragic. It’s heartbreaking. They deserve sympathy.
On the other hand, suicide is absolutely the most self-centered thing you can do, and our society should take care to avoid glorifying it. We need people to understand that killing yourself is not the way out of your problems.
In general, our society glorifies suicide too much and, unfortunately, convinces people on the edge that it’s what they need to do.
On the one hand, you have to acknowledge that they must have been struggling with something beyond comprehension-that they were in a dark place no one should ever have to be in. It’s tragic. It’s heartbreaking. They deserve sympathy.
On the other hand, suicide is absolutely the most self-centered thing you can do, and our society should take care to avoid glorifying it. We need people to understand that killing yourself is not the way out of your problems.
In general, our society glorifies suicide too much and, unfortunately, convinces people on the edge that it’s what they need to do.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:34 am to imjustafatkid
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That sucks. Suicide is for wimps.
I understand the sentiment, but having lived with it a bit and seen it both with relatives and friends, true depression is a disease and its not something you just snap out of. It can tear a family apart in a slower, more cruel way than a suicide can, also. Believe that. That said, I hate to see anyone choose that option. It's hard to get through to someone who is clinically depressed. Faith is important, but it's not a guarantee.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 6:01 am to Roaad
:snoopdoggwho:
Posted on 11/21/22 at 6:33 am to AUCom96
A lot of people don’t fully understand mental health and that’s OK. It is what it is. Everyone has their own opinions. Most people speak from their point of view and experiences, and that’s OK. My experience with these things is much different from a lot of people in this thread lol. It’s never as simple as making a selfish decision. A lot of times people think that the world is better off without them. So they think they’re doing the world a favor. It’s a convoluted way of thinking. A lot of people have a convoluted way of thinking on a lot of different things. In my opinion, it’s just another one of those things. Jason David Frank most likely felt this way as most who commit suicide do. It’s really unfortunate that he either didn’t seek or didn’t receive the help that he needed.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 6:54 am to UndercoverBryologist
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God is collecting early-90s Fox Kids stars, it seems.
They say it comes in 3s. I wonder who is next.
This post was edited on 11/21/22 at 6:55 am
Posted on 11/21/22 at 7:08 am to imjustafatkid
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Never, actually. Trying to fight people who carry is usually a bad decision.
You’re trying to come off as very tough guy but this attitude you have toward it is very immature.
Were you in the military? I found it was common among fellow soldiers to think this way. But you don’t know what they’re going through.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 9:32 am to LB84
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They say it comes in 3s. I wonder who is next.
Well, Louie Anderson is already dead. And other than Kevin Conroy and JDF, the only other big name Fox Kids star was Howie Mandel (assuming God doesn’t double-up on Batman stars and takes Mark Hamill).
Posted on 11/21/22 at 10:18 am to Proximo
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But you don’t know what they’re going through.
Doesn't matter. What his loved ones are going through now, and for the rest of their lives, is much worse. Only he did that to them. No one else.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 10:21 am to CatholicLSUDude
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On the other hand, suicide is absolutely the most self-centered thing you can do, and our society should take care to avoid glorifying it. We need people to understand that killing yourself is not the way out of your problems.
Yep. The conversation when someone kills themselves is always about the person, instead of the people he/she has harmed. Those people are the ones deserving our sympathy. Instead we put the dead person on a pedestal and excuse his/her selfish decision as a reasonable response. I won't play that game. The people who do are not helping, they're hurting.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 10:55 am to GalacticaCannon
Green>>>> white ranger
Posted on 11/21/22 at 11:24 am to imjustafatkid
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Yep. The conversation when someone kills themselves is always about the person, instead of the people he/she has harmed. Those people are the ones deserving our sympathy. Instead we put the dead person on a pedestal and excuse his/her selfish decision as a reasonable response. I won't play that game. The people who do are not helping, they're hurting.
You think the people who loved him want to hear/read about everyone bashing the guy? Talk about throwing salt in the wound. Personally, yeah they likely have some anger, but they don't need to hear the world bashing the person they loved and just lost.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 11:25 am to imjustafatkid
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It's exactly what needs to be said when someone kills themselves
yes, because what the friends and families need is an idiot spouting off his opinions as "truths". Your response is something id expect out of a child. A spoiled, inconsiderate creature with limited life experience.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 11:33 am to Mickey Goldmill
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You think the people who loved him want to hear/read about everyone bashing the guy? Talk about throwing salt in the wound. Personally, yeah they likely have some anger, but they don't need to hear the world bashing the person they loved and just lost.
Actually yes.
I know they would absolutely prefer to hear people say what I am saying than to hear people act like they have understanding for why he would choose to take his life instead of spend time with them. Excusing his decision is actually the opposite of empathy in this situation.
This post was edited on 11/21/22 at 11:35 am
Posted on 11/21/22 at 11:33 am to caro81
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yes, because what the friends and families need is an idiot spouting off his opinions as "truths". Your response is something id expect out of a child. A spoiled, inconsiderate creature with limited life experience.
Actually, that's what your response is.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 11:40 am to imjustafatkid
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That sucks. Suicide is for wimps.
My god you truly are the biggest douche on this site. Which is saying something. You are miserable in every single thread you are in and make other people miserable. I feel more sorry for your family that they have to live with you than I do JDF's family.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 11:42 am to iwyLSUiwy
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My god you truly are the biggest douche on this site. Which is saying something. You are miserable in every single thread you are in and make other people miserable. I feel more sorry for your family that they have to live with you than I do JDF's family.
Jason David Frank made people miserable in this situation. No one else did that. Just him. I realize excusing selfish behavior is all the rage these days, but it really doesn't help anyone.
ETA: No reason to feel bad for my family. I love them enough not to kill myself over temporary problems. That's far more consideration than JDF gave his family.
This post was edited on 11/21/22 at 11:44 am
Posted on 11/21/22 at 11:45 am to imjustafatkid
Ok, and none of that changes what I just said about you.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 11:47 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Ok, and none of that changes what I just said about you.
Hey, you're free to hold your opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 12:09 pm to imjustafatkid
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Jason David Frank made people miserable in this situation. No one else did that. Just him. I realize excusing selfish behavior is all the rage these days, but it really doesn't help anyone.
ETA: No reason to feel bad for my family. I love them enough not to kill myself over temporary problems. That's far more consideration than JDF gave his family.
Dude, you're not mentally ill and you're not dealing with depression. You have no idea what these people go through and you have no idea what JDF's thought process was.
You're creating this "he's a selfish wimp" narrative from the standpoint of someone whose brain chemistry is normal.
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No reason to feel bad for my family. I love them enough not to kill myself over temporary problems.
Many times those people think their families are better off without them.
Telling suicidal people to "stop being pussies" will just drive them there faster. I hope if you have a suicidal family member, you'll offer them more guidance beyond "stop being a pussy".
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