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re: James Cameron announces he's making 4 Avatar Sequels

Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:57 pm to
Posted by Cooter Davenport
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:57 pm to
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Honestly how much name cache does Avatar have


There was an article passed around not long ago about just this subject. Apparently the answer is: not much. For a movie as big as it was $ wise, it has almost zero lasting cult following. Which is pretty surprising. Unlike LOTR, which inspired songs or whole albums from huge bands, a trilogy of super-successful films, pop references out the wazoo, and website after website, or Star Trek with its conventions and Trekkie subculture - which existed without the internet, or hell even the enduring love people have for The Princess Bride or the subculture of Evil Dead (Bruce Campbell is more famous than Sam Worthington!), nobody really cares about Avatar or its universe anymore. It was a feast for the senses, it brought back 3D, but its universe was essentially Fern Gully and every answer the audience had was answered in the movie. Contrast that with LOTR, which had a universe that intoxicated and enraptured its fans decades before there even were visuals of what it looked like outside of everyone's heads!
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 5:01 pm
Posted by Hoodoo Man
Sunshine Pumping most days.
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 5:14 pm to
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For a movie as big as it was $ wise, it has almost zero lasting cult following. Which is pretty surprising.
Yeah, pretty much.

If the next movie is as shallow as the first, I hope the international market wises up and stops paying to go see it.
China fricking loves anything with CGI.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 5:16 pm to
The first presidential candidate to promise to keep these sequels from happening gets my full support.
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 5:18 pm to
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The first presidential candidate to promise to keep these sequels from happening gets my full support.
Are you being negative about a movie? Be happy, bro. Enjoy life.
Posted by partywiththelombardi
Member since May 2012
11728 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 5:21 pm to
Can't say it will bomb. Everything can make money now.

Fast Furious 10? for example

Hell Disney still wants to do Pirate movies
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 5:27 pm
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 5:28 pm to
Not feeling it's going to happen
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 5:29 pm
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:27 pm to
Avatar>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Star Wars
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:37 pm to
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Avatar>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Star Wars

Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:44 pm to
I can't wait for the third film when the humans come back, nuke the tree, and kill everyone. That was such a great decision by Jake to kick the humans off the planet. Sure the Na'vi don't know what the humans are truly capable of, but Jake does. Now that they know their weakness, they'll just launch a nuke from orbit and then have the planet to themselves.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115643 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:52 pm to
That's exactly what I thought. I mean, I've never heard anyone talk about Avatar. Not friends, relatives, or anything. I know that's not some ultimate measure of a products worth but for a movie they want to make 10000 of, it's not a good sign

Given how much it costs to make that film, I can see it being major bust, atleast outside of international sales
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
41077 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:55 pm to
He said there would be 3 sequels back in 2009. He is going to be in a pine box well before finishing 4.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37185 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:58 pm to
We've already got 9 star wars, 8 fast and furious, however many transformers movies, countless comic book movies...

This is the kind of film that makes sense to produce today: a known product that's easier to market, visually worth the trip to the theater, and not so complicated that a translation will lose the original meaning. I'm not endorsing this as a great thing, just the reality.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
41077 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 7:03 pm to
The first movie sucked but it dazzled people with the shiny objects.

He is going to have to write a much better movie for the second film.

I assume he is going to jump from a Dances with Wolves remake to a Dune remake.

Just not sure how the natives get powerful enough to stop out worlders from utterly destroying them from space.

I guess the blue folk will evolve with Unobtanium Powers and become armies of kwisatz haderach
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25851 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 7:07 pm to
I hear James Cameron has been hard at researching ideas for the next film. He started here for the sequel:

Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39069 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 7:08 pm to
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The first movie sucked but it dazzled people with the shiny objects.


Did it really?

We were told to go to the theaters to be dazzled but were you really dazzled?

And to what extent?

I mean there is a difference between gimmick and dazzle.

And now we get Fern Gully 2.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 7:09 pm
Posted by minimal
Member since Feb 2007
1008 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 7:09 pm to
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assume he is going to jump from a Dances with Wolves remake to a Dune remake.

Just not sure how the natives get powerful enough to stop out worlders from utterly destroying them from space.

I guess the blue folk will evolve with Unobtanium Powers and become armies of kwisatz haderach


I'm guessing it's been awhile since you read Dune, cause that's not how it went. More like unobtanium is actually a byproduct of an organism that lives off the tree of life. Kill the tree and unobtanium organism dies. Can't kill tree, have to conquer people. People are hard asses that can't be subjugated cause they were born thirsty.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
41077 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 7:15 pm to
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I'm guessing it's been awhile since you read Dune
What a dick.

It would be similar in that the whole universe wants an element that is controlled by one planet. I didn't say it would be a shot for shot remake a Dune.

Also the only way the natives would be able to defeat the far more powerful out worlders would be to somehow evolve from the main source of said element. Which is similar to what happened in Dune.

If you can't see the similarity then you probably also don't think the original pile of crap was a remake of Wolves and Ferngully with a side order of Man Called Horse.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37185 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 7:23 pm to
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Unlike LOTR, which inspired songs or whole albums from huge bands, a trilogy of super-successful films, pop references out the wazoo, and website after website, or Star Trek with its conventions and Trekkie subculture - which existed without the internet



Those were pre-existing products. Being a LOTR nerd just because of the books was a thing for decades before Jackson made it accessible for the less socially awkward. Trekkies and Dr Who folks were the science fiction nerds our parents either were, or shunned, in high school.

The Princess Bride and Evil Dead are special entities but neither would fare as well if there were redone and sent to every corner of the globe. I agree that Avatar lacks real intellectual or creative impact (outside of their visual proficiency) but so do the Star Wars remakes, Transformers movies, and Fast and Furious sequels.
Posted by witty alias
Member since Nov 2012
2070 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 7:28 pm to
I didn't even make it through the first one.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115643 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 7:39 pm to
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but so do the Star Wars remakes, Transformers movies, and Fast and Furious sequels.


Difference is these movies stayed in the public conseus past their release date. Spoofs, jokes, commentary, references, anything to keep the movie relavent and none was present. it didn't resonate with any one or any group of people (space geeks, action junkies, car lovers, or just plain old nostalgia). It hit no one emotionally because it had no heart or staying power.
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