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It's been a hot minute since we've discussed "The Wire"
Posted on 6/30/22 at 12:57 am
Posted on 6/30/22 at 12:57 am
Just finished what I think is my 3rd re-watch.
-There is no one - NO ONE - on the planet that is more natural PO-lice than Lester Freamon.
-Every second that Marlo was on screen, I hated him. He's a colossal piece of shite with NO redeeming qualities. That's obviously the intent of the show, but I never hated watching him as a character. I think that may make him the best antagonist I've ever seen in a TV show. Every other great TV "bad guy" I can think of has a bit of humanity, humor, or some other redeeming quality to them. Some of the GOAT "bad guys" weren't even bad guys and really didn't do anything wrong (Walter White). shite, compare him other antagonists on the show. Avon was charming and generous (gave Cutty $15k for the gym). Stringer wanted to tone down the violence and was working his way through community college. Snoop had a construction hobby and Partlow sought justice against child molesters. Marlo, though, was just an outright piece of shite, and I loved every minute of it. Props to actor Jamie Hector. I looked him up on IMDB, and it looks like he was a long term fixture on "Bosch". Will definitely check that out soon.
-Speaking of, the Greeks were dumbfricks for selling directly to Marlo. Prop Joe was a pro. A relatively lowkey fella that didn't cause much trouble and fought to end corner wars for the sake of business stability. Marlo was a loose cannon. The Greeks had to have had some familiarity with what was happening on the streets. The ~$150k clean money suitcase bribe was not even close to worth risking the stability. Who knows who they're stuck selling to post S5 (Marlo still?) after Cheese unfortunately can't help fulfill buying the connection from Marlo.
-Kima was originally supposed to die at the end of S1, but other actors convinced David Simon to keep her around. I wish that they didn't. Ratting out McNulty and the GOAT Lester in S5 was a trash move.
-Always with the "Boris".
-S5 was a lot better than I remembered it being. Definitely the weakest season, but still better than 99% of anything that's ever been on television. S2 is still the highly contested GOAT.
-People always go on about character growth being important for a series, but there really isn't much here and I like it. People don't necessarily change significantly over the course of ~5 years. Bubbles and Prez improve themselves. Cutty I guess does, but he really came out of prison reformed and only briefly dabbled getting back in the game. McNulty quit drinking and got back into the family life, but eventually realized it was stupid and got back into his heavy drinking, womanizing, murdah solving ways. Everyone else pretty much finishes the series (or dies) being the same as they started. **ETA: forgot about the S4 kids. Namond, Michael, Randy, and Dukie all change significantly over the course of 2 seasons (about 2 years). That's pretty natural for youngins in either shitty or significantly improved situations (Namond).**
-Real life Hamsterdams would absolutely work.
-Y'all think that Cutty was diddling boys? I lean towards no, but he did get weird about the training/mentoring sometimes.
-Omar was really entertaining. I get WHY he was the most popular character on the show. But he was maybe the 5th or 6th most interesting character to me.
-Most underrated scene in the series: Freamon and Bunk drunk at a bar. Freamon (being natural PO-lice) keeps talking about going after Marlo, and Bunk is 100% locked in on pussy. LINK
-I'd have a beer with Jay Landsman.
-When I die, I hope to get a pool table wake at the nearest Irish bar.
-It's crazy how early some major characters are introduced. Bunny gets a few random scenes in S2 and you think he's insignificant on the first watch. And I've always thought that a random kid killed Omar. I paid more attention to the show this re-watch than usual (not a "background" re-watch, a proper one) and that little "yo" was introduced in S3.
-One man, one vote.
-Gun to head: S2, S3, S4, S1, S5
-There is no one - NO ONE - on the planet that is more natural PO-lice than Lester Freamon.
-Every second that Marlo was on screen, I hated him. He's a colossal piece of shite with NO redeeming qualities. That's obviously the intent of the show, but I never hated watching him as a character. I think that may make him the best antagonist I've ever seen in a TV show. Every other great TV "bad guy" I can think of has a bit of humanity, humor, or some other redeeming quality to them. Some of the GOAT "bad guys" weren't even bad guys and really didn't do anything wrong (Walter White). shite, compare him other antagonists on the show. Avon was charming and generous (gave Cutty $15k for the gym). Stringer wanted to tone down the violence and was working his way through community college. Snoop had a construction hobby and Partlow sought justice against child molesters. Marlo, though, was just an outright piece of shite, and I loved every minute of it. Props to actor Jamie Hector. I looked him up on IMDB, and it looks like he was a long term fixture on "Bosch". Will definitely check that out soon.
-Speaking of, the Greeks were dumbfricks for selling directly to Marlo. Prop Joe was a pro. A relatively lowkey fella that didn't cause much trouble and fought to end corner wars for the sake of business stability. Marlo was a loose cannon. The Greeks had to have had some familiarity with what was happening on the streets. The ~$150k clean money suitcase bribe was not even close to worth risking the stability. Who knows who they're stuck selling to post S5 (Marlo still?) after Cheese unfortunately can't help fulfill buying the connection from Marlo.
-Kima was originally supposed to die at the end of S1, but other actors convinced David Simon to keep her around. I wish that they didn't. Ratting out McNulty and the GOAT Lester in S5 was a trash move.
-Always with the "Boris".
-S5 was a lot better than I remembered it being. Definitely the weakest season, but still better than 99% of anything that's ever been on television. S2 is still the highly contested GOAT.
-People always go on about character growth being important for a series, but there really isn't much here and I like it. People don't necessarily change significantly over the course of ~5 years. Bubbles and Prez improve themselves. Cutty I guess does, but he really came out of prison reformed and only briefly dabbled getting back in the game. McNulty quit drinking and got back into the family life, but eventually realized it was stupid and got back into his heavy drinking, womanizing, murdah solving ways. Everyone else pretty much finishes the series (or dies) being the same as they started. **ETA: forgot about the S4 kids. Namond, Michael, Randy, and Dukie all change significantly over the course of 2 seasons (about 2 years). That's pretty natural for youngins in either shitty or significantly improved situations (Namond).**
-Real life Hamsterdams would absolutely work.
-Y'all think that Cutty was diddling boys? I lean towards no, but he did get weird about the training/mentoring sometimes.
-Omar was really entertaining. I get WHY he was the most popular character on the show. But he was maybe the 5th or 6th most interesting character to me.
-Most underrated scene in the series: Freamon and Bunk drunk at a bar. Freamon (being natural PO-lice) keeps talking about going after Marlo, and Bunk is 100% locked in on pussy. LINK
-I'd have a beer with Jay Landsman.
-When I die, I hope to get a pool table wake at the nearest Irish bar.
-It's crazy how early some major characters are introduced. Bunny gets a few random scenes in S2 and you think he's insignificant on the first watch. And I've always thought that a random kid killed Omar. I paid more attention to the show this re-watch than usual (not a "background" re-watch, a proper one) and that little "yo" was introduced in S3.
-One man, one vote.
-Gun to head: S2, S3, S4, S1, S5
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 1:16 am
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:09 am to THRILLHO
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Y'all think that Cutty was diddling boys? I lean towards no, but he did get weird about the training/mentoring sometimes.
Absolutely did not get those vibes at all. Dude was a pussy hound to the fullest. It was just Michael not being able to trust any male figures in his life. Cutty to him was probably like seeing an Alien or something. He had literally never seen it before and didn’t know how to process a dude willing/trying to help, but also with no strings attached. I think in the end, he obviously appreciated him for that sacrifice(taking that bullet to the knee) and I’d assume put those distrust/weirded out feelings to rest.
I love your summary of Marlo though and probably couldn’t agree much more. He really had NO redeeming qualities. Just a straight up snake, or demon even. Zero conscience, and not even in it for the money. It was just 100% about being the most feared man on the planet. No sense of compromise at all, just an incessant need to rule everything by any means necessary. I would’ve loved a better back story on Marlo, and why he is who he is.
Lol I just told my wife a few days ago, since it’s been 20 years, I wish David Simon would do like an 8-part series or something, like a prequel or origin story from a few of those characters early childhood or something that shows us how they got their roles in the streets. Avon would’ve been interesting to know more about as a youngster, Marlo, Prop Joe, and a few others. But I realize that would be disingenuous to everything the wire was, and then it would be just like “Power” or something that seems too Hollywood, more than likely…. And kind of Rob the extreme authenticity of the Wire we know and love.
But I did appreciate this little “short” origin of Omar.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:24 am to THRILLHO
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Some of the GOAT "bad guys" weren't even bad guys and really didn't do anything wrong (Walter White).
What lol???
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:48 am to THRILLHO
Idk if S2 was the best, but it’s certainly the most underrated.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 6:30 am to THRILLHO
Posted on 6/30/22 at 6:34 am to Tunica
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Idk if S2 was the best,
Well you know, now.
There are children entering their senior year of high school who weren't born when I started the rally on here for season 2.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 7:23 am to SlowFlowPro
I’m knee deep in a rewatch now (finishing season 4 rn) and season 3 closes in a really fun a succinct way so it gets most of the love, but the way season 2 unfolds is so beautiful throughout the whole season. The tiniest little detail in episode 1 ends up being a massive turning point for everything to go down from that point and there’s 100 different examples of that. You really start to see how everything touches everything and it’s bigger than just taking down barksdale
All the carcetti scenes in season 3 bring it below season 2 for me
All the carcetti scenes in season 3 bring it below season 2 for me
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 7:25 am
Posted on 6/30/22 at 7:34 am to wildtigercat93
I still see the Wire as a 3-season arc with 2 sequel seasons that are loosely tied to the main storyline.
But yes, the best season is 2 and the 2nd is 3. The worst is 5 so everyone else can debate 1 v. 4.
And I will say this again: the kid storyline in season 1 is more developed and has more emotional impact than the kid storyline in season 4.
But yes, the best season is 2 and the 2nd is 3. The worst is 5 so everyone else can debate 1 v. 4.
And I will say this again: the kid storyline in season 1 is more developed and has more emotional impact than the kid storyline in season 4.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 7:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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And I will say this again: the kid storyline in season 1 is more developed and has more emotional impact than the kid storyline in season 4.
Contained in their own seasons, I agree
However like you said I think season 4 and season 5 are so closely tied it’s hard to make that distinction. Seeing the combined after math in season 5 where the cycle connects and how the system perpetuates and ensures it never stops because of the way the kids are used and abused is possibly the shows greatest achievement.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 7:39 am
Posted on 6/30/22 at 7:44 am to THRILLHO
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Y'all think that Cutty was diddling boys? I lean towards no, but he did get weird about the training/mentoring sometimes.
I didn’t get that vibe. I think he just really wanted to show the kids that there was someone who honestly gave a shite about them and their future. He didn’t want them going the same route he did. The reason Michael didn’t trust him was because the only other adult male that ever showed him that kind of attention was sexually abusing him.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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And I will say this again: the kid storyline in season 1 is more developed and has more emotional impact than the kid storyline in season 4.
Alright, I’ve been with you for a decade now on the season 2 argument but I don’t know if I can get here with you.
Wallace was a rat. He got what was coming withIn the rules of the world they are in.
Randy was a complete victim of incompetence from the entire system,
The “you got me sergeant” scene is brutal
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But yes, the best season is 2 and the 2nd is 3. The worst is 5 so everyone else can debate 1 v. 4.
I think season 3 is overrated. Hamsterdam is equally as unbelievable as the serial killer stuff in season 5. I rewatched season 5 last year, it is not nearly as bad as i remembered it being. Still the worst season but not as bad.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 8:50 am
Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:41 am to Dire Wolf
I don't think Randy's foster mom's situation was explained any further than "she's badly burned". I'm guessing that she either died, or (more likely) put some responsibility of the attack on Randy and refused to take him back. His situation was just about as sad as Dukie's. Namond hit the lottery.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:26 am to THRILLHO
Funny, just completed 3rd rewatch a couple weeks ago.
Agree with most of what you say. This show remains my favorite cable series of all time even with the technology changes. Its still resonates.
My favorite season was 3.
Agree with most of what you say. This show remains my favorite cable series of all time even with the technology changes. Its still resonates.
My favorite season was 3.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:45 am to THRILLHO
Posted on 6/30/22 at 12:12 pm to diddlydawg7
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Some of the GOAT "bad guys" weren't even bad guys and really didn't do anything wrong (Walter White).
What lol???
I reread that twice to make sure that was what the OP was saying. Dear god.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 12:52 pm to THRILLHO
I go back and forth every time during my rewatches as to my favorite character.
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 12:55 pm to THRILLHO
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People always go on about character growth being important for a series, but there really isn't much here and I like it. People don't necessarily change significantly over the course of ~5 years
That’s one of the main themes of the series, nothing really changes
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