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Is Freddie Prinze Jr.'s take on the Star Wars series correct?
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:01 pm
I'm not really into Star Wars as alot of you here are so I don't have an opinion... However, Ol' Freddie seems to have a pretty strong opinion.
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He's not aging very well.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:57 pm to finchmeister08
He's obviously right. The people that come on here and cry about new Star wars were cool with ewoks cause they saw that when they were kids. I love the original trilogy, I think Andor is the best thing that they have ever done (outside of the books) because I'm an adult and that's an adult show. I didn't care about the prequels or the last 3 movies but I have young kids and they enjoyed them so I enjoyed them with them (Rise of Skywalker is still complete shite).
My 7 year old is already excited for Mando and Grogu. I know it's not going to be good but we will go to the theater and eat popcorn and he will think it's awesome.
My 7 year old is already excited for Mando and Grogu. I know it's not going to be good but we will go to the theater and eat popcorn and he will think it's awesome.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:27 am to TIGERSTORM
The Ewoks were cannibals and modeled after the Viet Cong
Edit: they like human flesh so not cannibals...
Also would like to add his Freddie linked himself to George Lucas through Filoni
Edit: they like human flesh so not cannibals...
Also would like to add his Freddie linked himself to George Lucas through Filoni
This post was edited on 5/4/26 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:30 am to TIGERSTORM
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He's obviously right.
Not at all. This retconning of star wars as a "kids show" is all cope for its failure.
Its STILL not even managing to be successful as a kids show either.
Young kids are not into star wars the same way the millennials were.
OG star wars appeal to mostly everyone, but the main thing is George Lucas told a story, he wasnt looking at marketing data or trying to sell plastic trinkets made in China to boys, girls, and also grandma.
The marketing departments of the modern era will never make it possible to make a great movie thats not trying to sell shite.
There's actually a red letter media video that goes into detail about all the trash that was stuffed into the prequels MERELY to sell to specific demographics, i.e. girls aged 16-24 (who were never interested and never WILL BE interested). Putting effort into appealing to every market imaginable with scenes/writing/background is also a big reason why most modern content just seems so gray, lifeless, and unrelatable. The moral questions, the experiences, etc. are trying to be as non-specific as possible and ultimately appeal to no one, especially not little girls or women.
Since the prequels, most of the content IS definitely for kids...but thats ALWAYS been about selling trinkets and other merchandise.
Even Lucas himself jumps to this "hey bud star wars is for kids" defense when he refuses to answer for all the ridiculous junk he stuffed in the prequels for shitty trinket sales.
With that being said, people do need to let it go. Its just better to move on from these franchises and stop trying to get a repeat of the same exact f formula .
This post was edited on 5/4/26 at 1:45 am
Posted on 5/4/26 at 5:49 am to finchmeister08
I think a lot of what he said is correct and a chunk is wrong.
I think A New Hope was made for kids. kept it simple, showed some cool stuff. I think the rest of the OG Trilogy told the rest of that story to the same kids that were growing up. It was mature enough for adults at the time and simple enough for kids to follow.
The prequels told a continuation of the same story to a new set of kids while wrangling in the old adults. They were a cohesive story with a known ending. They weren't ever going to be super popular because they were trying to tell a lot of story in 3 movies with an ending that was always going to be the same. This is why the Clone Wars and the expanded prequel universe is so good. There is a lot of material you can make for that era that is great.
The sequels were made for a different audience. Disney thought that the fanbase would be built in and they could cater to the edges of fandom and that didn't work because the original fans didn't want that. They didn't just gobble up a turd and smile, they fought back on bad storytelling and bad characters that were underdeveloped.
Rey isn't a bad character, she is just too powerful too quickly. Finn could have been a wonderful character and they abandoned him (and this is coming from someone who thinks that Boyega is a pretty shitty actor). Poe got neutered. They introduced new and boring shitting female characters no one gave a shite about. They killed off the legacy character that connected everything while the actress who played the other legacy character actually died and they used CGI to keep her alive in the movies.
The sequels were made to try to bring females into Star Wars and that just doesn't work. Typically, women aren't into sci-fi movies and universes as much as men. You have to cater to your audience.
I think A New Hope was made for kids. kept it simple, showed some cool stuff. I think the rest of the OG Trilogy told the rest of that story to the same kids that were growing up. It was mature enough for adults at the time and simple enough for kids to follow.
The prequels told a continuation of the same story to a new set of kids while wrangling in the old adults. They were a cohesive story with a known ending. They weren't ever going to be super popular because they were trying to tell a lot of story in 3 movies with an ending that was always going to be the same. This is why the Clone Wars and the expanded prequel universe is so good. There is a lot of material you can make for that era that is great.
The sequels were made for a different audience. Disney thought that the fanbase would be built in and they could cater to the edges of fandom and that didn't work because the original fans didn't want that. They didn't just gobble up a turd and smile, they fought back on bad storytelling and bad characters that were underdeveloped.
Rey isn't a bad character, she is just too powerful too quickly. Finn could have been a wonderful character and they abandoned him (and this is coming from someone who thinks that Boyega is a pretty shitty actor). Poe got neutered. They introduced new and boring shitting female characters no one gave a shite about. They killed off the legacy character that connected everything while the actress who played the other legacy character actually died and they used CGI to keep her alive in the movies.
The sequels were made to try to bring females into Star Wars and that just doesn't work. Typically, women aren't into sci-fi movies and universes as much as men. You have to cater to your audience.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 6:06 am to finchmeister08
Regardless, I am doing a SW marathon today.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 6:24 am to Warfarer
The 2 biggest issues with the sequels are these:
1. Creating a new "empire" and making the good guys the underdogs again. Simply flipping this paradigm would have created so much more narrative space from which to work.
2. Rian Johnson effectively ending the trilogy in movie 2. He left nowhere to go. His haste to subvert expectations and end the trilogy in movie 2 explains a lot of the deep-seeded fan rage.
Both created extreme limitations on the narrative, characters, and trilogy that made it effectively impossible to produce new, good, Star Wars content. I think the new "empire" is the biggest strain, and this rehashing of the OG trilogy is what led to RJ doing so much stupidity to subvert expectations and create something new. Had he been given a better canvas, I think the work would have been better.
There are lots of other issues on lesser levels that caused them to fail, like introducing too many characters in TFA, Rey being a Mary Sue, not coming into the project with a cohesive trilogy skeleton, etc.
1. Creating a new "empire" and making the good guys the underdogs again. Simply flipping this paradigm would have created so much more narrative space from which to work.
2. Rian Johnson effectively ending the trilogy in movie 2. He left nowhere to go. His haste to subvert expectations and end the trilogy in movie 2 explains a lot of the deep-seeded fan rage.
Both created extreme limitations on the narrative, characters, and trilogy that made it effectively impossible to produce new, good, Star Wars content. I think the new "empire" is the biggest strain, and this rehashing of the OG trilogy is what led to RJ doing so much stupidity to subvert expectations and create something new. Had he been given a better canvas, I think the work would have been better.
There are lots of other issues on lesser levels that caused them to fail, like introducing too many characters in TFA, Rey being a Mary Sue, not coming into the project with a cohesive trilogy skeleton, etc.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 7:12 am to finchmeister08
That’s Mr Buffy Summers.
And yes, fans DO get to decide, dog.
And yes, fans DO get to decide, dog.
This post was edited on 5/4/26 at 7:15 am
Posted on 5/4/26 at 7:12 am to finchmeister08
At the root of any profound children's story are very adult themes. A poorly constructed children's story is stripped of those values.
That's the biggest problem with the most recent Disney Star Wars stuff. It doesn't stand up to the basic requirements for good storytelling
That's the biggest problem with the most recent Disney Star Wars stuff. It doesn't stand up to the basic requirements for good storytelling
Posted on 5/4/26 at 7:29 am to finchmeister08
“They’re kids movies” has to be the laziest defense ever. Some of the greatest stories of all time were written for kids, and they have cohesive plots and appeal to all ages
Reminds me of Elf when Walter Hobbs thought no one would notice the missing pages in the children’s book
Reminds me of Elf when Walter Hobbs thought no one would notice the missing pages in the children’s book
This post was edited on 5/4/26 at 7:31 am
Posted on 5/4/26 at 7:37 am to tiggerthetooth
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Since the prequels, most of the content IS definitely for kids...
George tried to tell this whole political drama bullshite in the prequels that most definitely went over kids heads. It sucked and now George and everyone else pretends it isn't there and just say it was for kids.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 7:44 am to TIGERSTORM
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He's obviously right. The people that come on here and cry about new Star wars were cool with ewoks cause they saw that when they were kids. I love the original trilogy, I think Andor is the best thing that they have ever done (outside of the books) because I'm an adult and that's an adult show. I didn't care about the prequels or the last 3 movies but I have young kids and they enjoyed them so I enjoyed them with them (Rise of Skywalker is still complete shite). My 7 year old is already excited for Mando and Grogu. I know it's not going to be good but we will go to the theater and eat popcorn and he will think it's awesome.
Perfectly stated and exactly how I feel.
The 40-50 year old diehards will disagree hard though. My kids and I have loved the mando, BoBF shows and my oldest and I really enjoyed Andor. Haven’t watched aysoka and all the others as that’s not really the part of the universe we’re into. The OT isn’t as different from a lot of the newer stuff as the diehards would have you think.
This post was edited on 5/4/26 at 7:52 am
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:10 am to finchmeister08
New Hope was made for kids. Empire and ROTJ were made for those same kids as teens. It got a little more mature. These are the best two Star Wars movies bc they really hit the mark with adults as well as kids. But weren’t geared for kids.
Lucas tried to bridge the gap in the prequels. There’s JarJar for the kids, and galactic federation trade economics for the adults. Neither really hit the mark but prequels do fine with kids, and the underlying universe grows on the adults over time. Prequels have gone up in rating over time.
You can make a good movie for both kids and adults. The sequels just weren’t very good movies.
Also I generally agree on the balance shite but don’t think the emperor “seduced” Anakin for balance. That was the Sith master and apprentice method. I do think the force let the Jedi get wiped out by Palpatine to balance the force. The Jedi stopped being Jedi bc the force lost balance during the prequels time
Lucas tried to bridge the gap in the prequels. There’s JarJar for the kids, and galactic federation trade economics for the adults. Neither really hit the mark but prequels do fine with kids, and the underlying universe grows on the adults over time. Prequels have gone up in rating over time.
You can make a good movie for both kids and adults. The sequels just weren’t very good movies.
Also I generally agree on the balance shite but don’t think the emperor “seduced” Anakin for balance. That was the Sith master and apprentice method. I do think the force let the Jedi get wiped out by Palpatine to balance the force. The Jedi stopped being Jedi bc the force lost balance during the prequels time
This post was edited on 5/4/26 at 8:11 am
Posted on 5/4/26 at 9:11 am to finchmeister08
Pretty brilliant really.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 9:21 am to finchmeister08
As soon as they introduced a Muppet with the standard Frank Oz voice, I knew this was now a kids' franchise and I was out.
But I did enjoy Prinze's rant. "Happy frickin' Star Wars Day."
But I did enjoy Prinze's rant. "Happy frickin' Star Wars Day."
Posted on 5/4/26 at 9:55 am to finchmeister08
No it is not correct, and his repeated use of the F-word doesn't make him cool or right.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 9:58 am to ReedRothchild
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No it is not correct
i wouldn't know
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his repeated use of the F-word doesn't make him cool or right.
no, but he does seem to be pretty passionate about his opinion.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 10:13 am to TIGERSTORM
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cool with ewoks cause they saw that when they were kids.
No we weren't. They were teddy bears in a universe that was dirty & grime-covered. There was nothing cute in the SW universe up until that point, and we liked it that way. They should've been something scaly and disgusting, like lizards.
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