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Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom question

Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:13 pm
Posted by red sox fan 13
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:13 pm
I watched Temple of Doom this weekend and thought of something. When Indy is under the black sleep of Kali Ma or whatever, Short Round wakes him up by burning him. And Short Round does the same thing to the Maharaja kid. It seems people being woken up don’t have memory of what they did while under the black sleep.

At the end of the movie when Indy and Mola Ram are hanging off the bridge, Mola Ram grabs the stone and it burns him, then he falls off the bridge and gets eaten by the alligators. So was he woken up at that moment and had no idea what was going on, only to instantly fall to his death and eaten? Because that’s fricked up.

Come find out, in an earlier script, Indy was supposed to slip and fall from the bridge and get caught by Mola Ram, who would have woken up and saved him. So Spielberg and Lucas must have had the idea in their minds, but went with Mola Ram dying. Did y’all ever notice this before?
Posted by boxcarbarney
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:18 pm to
I never thought he was under the influence of the black sleep. If so, who did it to him?
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:18 pm to
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Come find out, in an earlier script, Indy was supposed to slip and fall from the bridge and get caught by Mola Ram, who would have woken up and saved him. So Spielberg and Lucas must have had the idea in their minds, but went with Mola Ram dying. Did y’all ever notice this before?


bad guy has to die or our brains tell us its stupid and the movie sucks, this is a given and just how our brains work.
Posted by kciDAtaE
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:19 pm to
I never thought he was under a spell. Just thought he was evil.
Posted by red sox fan 13
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:21 pm to
I imagine some earlier member of the cult would have given it to him but who knows. We will never get an answer
Posted by upgrade
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 7:22 pm to
Mola Ram wasn’t under a spell.
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 7:52 pm to
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It seems people being woken up don’t have memory of what they did while under the black sleep.

But doesn’t Indy, after he has woken up and Short Round gives him his stuff, apologizes or something which I believed was for his actions under the spell?
Posted by Laugh More
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:13 pm to
Please don’t ask these types of questions. If you do, they’ll write up and film an Indians Jones 5 with time travel or something to answer these types of questions…
Posted by Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:24 pm to
People under the black sleep were like zombies. Mola Ram was clear headed.
Posted by putt23
Pingree Grove, IL
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:35 pm to
Indy apologizes to Short Round I think.

Indy says something like Mola Ram wasn't worthy, or disrespected Shiva. He says something to him while hanging on the bridge when they start burning through the bag.
Posted by sqerty
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:48 pm to
For many years I didn't know it's a prequel to Raiders. Indy knew. The boy in the cage tells thems it's "like" a nightmare you don't wake up from.
Posted by lsusa
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Posted on 12/6/22 at 12:56 am to
There are only three Indiana Jones movies
Posted by Animal
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Posted on 12/6/22 at 6:38 am to
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There are only three Indiana Jones movies


This shite right here....
Posted by JackieTreehorn
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Posted on 12/6/22 at 9:13 am to
Posted by blackinthesaddle
Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 12/6/22 at 9:36 am to
quote:

I watched Temple of Doom this weekend and thought of something. When Indy is under the black sleep of Kali Ma or whatever, Short Round wakes him up by burning him. And Short Round does the same thing to the Maharaja kid. It seems people being woken up don’t have memory of what they did while under the black sleep.

At the end of the movie when Indy and Mola Ram are hanging off the bridge, Mola Ram grabs the stone and it burns him, then he falls off the bridge and gets eaten by the alligators. So was he woken up at that moment and had no idea what was going on, only to instantly fall to his death and eaten? Because that’s fricked up.

Come find out, in an earlier script, Indy was supposed to slip and fall from the bridge and get caught by Mola Ram, who would have woken up and saved him. So Spielberg and Lucas must have had the idea in their minds, but went with Mola Ram dying. Did y’all ever notice this before?



Kali is a Hindu goddess that brings emancipation, enlightenment, liberation, and release (Egyptian equivalent is Isis). So, Short Round is actually acting as an "illuminati" style Prometheus character that is defying the will of the Gods when he "awakens" Indy, lighting a fire in the heart of Indy through the infliction of pain. Mola Ram (Amun-Ra) is the Sun God. He sacrifices human hearts (the center of the soul) to Kali (aka Isis) once they are pure. Mola Ram is seeking the stones to bring about the end of Wheel of Suffering. Metaphorically, devotion to the Sun God is seen as slavish and is here represented by the children working in the mines.

Mola Ram falls off the bridge and is eaten by crocodiles, the Egyptian god representing the deity Sobek. Sobek here is probably meant to encompass his "protective" side, or "he who loves robbery", as the fall of Mola Ram allows the continued robbing of souls as they are "woken" up by the fire and allowed to be sacrificed to Sobek (crocodile aka the dragon) who represents rebirth into the Wheel of Suffering. Sobek loves robbery as when a heart is weighted down with guilt, envy, gluttony, etc, the heart, or soul, is tossed to Sobeck to be eaten which results in the soul being reborn into the Wheel of Suffering.
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 9:43 am
Posted by Northshore Aggie
Mandeville, LA
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:10 am to
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But doesn’t Indy, after he has woken up and Short Round gives him his stuff, apologizes or something which I believed was for his actions under the spell?

I think he meant Mola Ram. Indy was definitely under the spell.

Also, unpopular opinions, but I think Temple is the best Indy film.
Posted by Northshore Aggie
Mandeville, LA
Member since Sep 2022
4713 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:18 am to
LET THE DOWNVOTES COMMENCE
Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
9207 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:18 am to
Nola Ram isn’t under a spell (as others have said).

He’s the big bad evil guy of the story.

I’ve thing that always pissed me off about Indy in regards to the story of Temple: Indy States in Crusade that he doesn’t believe in magic.

Hell, in the trailer for this latest abortion of an Indy film he says it.

Yet in Temple, the first movie time line wise, he sees a guys heart ripped from his chest while he still lives, is put in to a black sleep with a magic potion, and then chants magic words to get the sankhara stones to burn through the bag. How is none of that enough to convince him that magic is a thing???

Dumb.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
40813 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 12:00 pm to
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then he falls off the bridge and gets eaten by the alligators




It was crocodiles man.....cmon.
Posted by Northshore Aggie
Mandeville, LA
Member since Sep 2022
4713 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 12:03 pm to
they got all them teeth and no toothbrush
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