re: Incredibles 2 RT Score Watch - 94%. Now SPOILERS

Posted by BRich

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:44 am to Indigold

Saw it last night with older daughter (senior in college) on Father's Day night. We both loved The Incredibles (she dressed as Violet in 2004 for Halloween even though the film wasn't released until a week or so later).

What a great way to end Father's Day. I've always identified with Mr. Incredible, and his line, "I just wanted to be a good dad" sums it up for me....

The new sister/brother Deavor characters-- the sister/villain gave me a definite Helena Bonham Carter (Fight Club look)visual vibe-- anybody else get that?

Couldn't place her voice, which bugged me the whole movie (turned out to be Catherin Keener, who I best knew from 40 Year Old Virgin and as the painter of triangles on Seinfeld... the brother was lead from Better Call Saul, which I've never watched.

Loved the two Jonny Quest nods (actual footage from the Robot Spy episode and "Quest" lighted logo on a skyscraper in the background).

Very entertaining flick. Highly recommend it.

This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 10:47 am

Posted by ZappBrannigan

Member since Jun 2015

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:49 am to Blob Fish

Did you even watch the movie? Dash was the reason the kids escaped.

Bob went in a few days from over his head to hitting a stride.

Fro-Zone got a big hero moment showing what a pro is against a bunch of newbies.

Helen was probably tricked harder than Bob in the first. At least Mirage genuinely liked him.

Hell Helen and Evelyn's girl talk about the stronger sex was a cliche of super heroine get together comics.

And Void's "...because of you I can be who I am..." Fan girling was taken straight from the concept of the X-Men. A 60yo franchise who has been milking the closeted superpowers since the beginning.

So where's the women are better?

We knew from the first one Helen was a pilot and smart.

Hell the whole reason she even thought of getting a job over Bob in this one was a conversation about how soul crushing his job was for him and give him a chance to enjoy his kids for a bit.

Posted by ZappBrannigan

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:59 am to Blob Fish

Petty revenge generated from being dismissed by idol, super made illegal, genius develops weapons tech, kills superheroes to develop weapon to kill petty revenge target. Target's family gets drug in.

2 supers still illegal, guy and gal want to bring them back into the fold. One genuinely in honor of his parents, one to show that we don't need supers because he parents got killed for false hope. Use the least destructive of the 3 iconic supers they know to contact for monetary reasons/easiest power set to exploit for what's needed in evil plan to set normals against supers.

Even the broad strokes of the antagonist moving the plot are different.

Posted by Blob Fish

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:11 am to AlxTgr

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Your posts are bad, man. Really bad.

Haha so much hate up in here and too many people to respond to. I’m not attacking anyone and am open to changing my opinion on the movie.

I love going to the theater (even though it’s becoming less and less fun to go - and I’m in no way alone in these feelings) and actually enjoyed a lot of the Incredibles 2. The Jack-Jack raccoon scene, for example was hilarious, and the visuals of the movie were spectacular.

Ignoring what I think were subtle, annoying tones of the #metoo movement that are tainting the majority of Hollywood films right now (but I’m rethinking my position), I still expect more from a plot than a simple tweak of the original.

You can say oh but the motivations were completely different this time around, but it was still largely a movie about the heroes trusting someone who hired them directly and then being eventually misled. Everyone in the room who’d seen the first movie knew immediately 1 of 2 people would be the villain because it was the same general layout.

They could have created a completely different storyline with an intriguing villain where even a dumbass Blob Fish couldn’t draw comparisons to the first, but they didn’t.

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Posted by AlxTgr

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:17 am to Blob Fish

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The Jack-Jack raccoon scene, for example was hilarious, and the visuals of the movie were spectacular.

The racoon would not have come back for more.

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Ignoring what I think were subtle, annoying tones of the #metoo movement that are tainting the majority of Hollywood films right now (but I’m rethinking my position), I still expect more from a plot than a simple tweak of the original.

I hate this, and did not see any of that in this movie.

Posted by ell_13

Member since Apr 2013

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:25 am to Blob Fish

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the #metoo movement

There was sexual abuse?

You are a really confused idiot.

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They could have created a completely different storyline with an intriguing villain where even a dumbass Blob Fish couldn’t draw comparisons to the first, but they didn’t.

Your comparison was literally: it was the same family. The comparison you tried with the villain is BS. They are totally different.

Posted by Blob Fish

Member since Mar 2016

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:51 pm to ell_13

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You are a really confused idiot.

By #metoo movement, I was really referring to the general misguided social climate. But, you’re right. I should’ve said “gender equality” movement - this forced, contrived placement of “rad females” into nearly every movie, along with a Disney-fied cast of every possible racial demographic and body type.

I’m sorry to rustle your jimmies. I saw a villain with a Lena Dunham haircut who easily manipulated her dumbass brother. I saw Mrs. Incredible outperform her husband who, for the most part was portrayed as too destructive at work and lovingly incompetent at home. I saw Voyd with her green feminist-like hair. I saw all of this, in combination with the slew of movies pushing this agenda right now and thought Incredibles was possibly doing the same thing. So sue me. Perhaps, I’m jaded and wrong.

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Your comparison was literally: it was the same family

Whatever, man. It has the exact same general set-up, and you know it. I literally turned to my friend and girlfriend during the show, and we all nodded like “Yup. Once again one or more of the people who hired the heroes are evil.”

Let’s not even mention that The Underminer gets off unpunished :lol.

But that’s it with my analysis. I’m done overevaluating this unIncredible sequel to a children’s movie.

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Posted by lsuhunt555

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:56 pm to Indigold

My wife and I took our 5 and 3 year olds to see it Saturday. I thought it was good. I immediately knew someone was going to get their feathers ruffled by Elastigirl being featured as opposed to Mr Incredible. Regardless, I enjoyed it and my kids loved it...so it was a W in my book.

Posted by ell_13

Member since Apr 2013

88014 posts

Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:00 pm to Blob Fish

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I’m sorry to rustle your jimmies.

Just because I'm pointing out your bad opinions based on something you imagined doesn't mean I'm "rustled".

But it falls in line with your ignorance that you feel you have to apologize to someone who simply expects you to defend really bad opinions.

Posted by ell_13

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:09 pm to Blob Fish

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I saw a villain with a Lena Dunham haircut who easily manipulated her dumbass brother.

So Lena Dunham = bad... and you didn't like that?

You like Lena Dunham!!!

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I saw Mrs. Incredible outperform her husband

When was she "outperforming" him? At what point was she directly put up against him? The movie explains rationally and without politics (it was actually an extremely capitalist POV).

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for the most part was portrayed as too destructive at work and lovingly incompetent at home

By nature, someone who is strong is going to be destructive. Did you get this upset over the animated Hercules?

And the issues he faced at home were completely relatable: helping a kid with homework and helping protect your daughter (and maybe going a little overboard). Both of which he fixed in days.

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Voyd with her green feminist-like hair

And X-Men's Storm? and Phoenix? And Silver Surfer? And Harley Quinn? You are seriously melting over a hair color. That's sad, man.

Posted by BugAC

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:12 pm to Blob Fish

We saw it with our 3.5 year old son. Movie was great. The people saying it was another SJW men are bad women are better thing, only saw that because they wanted to see that.

Trust me, i'm tired of the disney-fied, everyone is a princess, men are worthless schtick that hollywood pushes, but this movie wasn't that. My wife and I even commented about that at dinner after the movie. Now, going into it, after seeing the preview to the new wreck it ralph, it thought, "here we go". Because that preview was full of that "who needs a man anyway" stupid shite.

But the incredible wasn't. It made sense. Bob stayed home because A) he hated his previous job and B) he was too expensive up front. They handled it well in this movie. And the scenes with Bob being a dad, were good.

It was a great movie right up there with the first one, and anyone who sees any social justice promotion in this movie is just being hyper-critical.

Posted by sorantable

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:15 pm to udtiger

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Jack Jack versus the racoon may be the hardest I have ever laughed in a theater.

Posted by ZappBrannigan

Member since Jun 2015

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 2:14 pm to sorantable

The raccoon finds a stash of syndrome gear and comes back.

Please let this be the short.

Posted by Mad_Mardigan

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 2:19 pm to BugAC

This is almost word for word how I feel after reading some of the other ridiculous crap in this thread. I loved the movie. It was nice to see more of these characters.

Posted by Freauxzen

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 2:31 pm to Blob Fish

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I should’ve said “gender equality” movement - this forced, contrived placement of “rad females”

There are movies who do this, yes, I don't think Incredibles is one. Edna, Helen, Violet, Mirage....all major characters from the first film.

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along with a Disney-fied cast of every possible racial demographic and body type.

This was true and funny, and although some stuff gets to me, it fit well here. Bird smartly used a lot of physical exaggeration to hide it.

Plus, I want more of Acid Reflux, that was great.

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I saw a villain with a Lena Dunham haircut who easily manipulated her dumbass brother.

They made it pretty clear that he was smart and capable, but just too positive. It was a role reversal, but not a a bad one. Additionally, a real me-too film would have doubled down on the white male antagonist, which this film did not.

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I saw Mrs. Incredible outperform her husband who, for the most part was portrayed as too destructive at work and lovingly incompetent at home.

Helen was just portrayed as the more cost-effective hero for that moment. They still needed a whole team, and she still got beat.

And the movie does not pin Robert down as someone who is just a bad father, it clearly shows his growth as a character, and as a stay at home dad. He wins in the end.

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I saw Voyd with her green feminist-like hair. I saw all of this, in combination with the slew of movies pushing this agenda right now and thought Incredibles was possibly doing the same thing. So sue me. Perhaps, I’m jaded and wrong.

I won't disagree with some pushing of certain narratives in culture. It sucks, but that's how it goes. That's why I don't go see Ocean's 8 (and honestly, neither did my girlfriend who is a huge fan of the originals. She has 0 interest in 8). But Incredibles is not one of those films. It has always pushed a more "universal" message from the first film. And, to me, it does it in the absolute best way possible without being heavy handed. It feels natural, real (believe it or not), and all of the characters deserve the screen time, feel more grounded, and are full characters with real motivations. This is the last film I would complain about, because it nails what people SHOULD be thinking from both sides.

This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 2:32 pm

Posted by ThoseGuys

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 4:09 pm to Blob Fish

Is any movie that now stars a female only because of feminist reasons? Are females only allowed to be support characters?

My daughter loved this movie. As a dad, I want that. I want her to be able to see role models in media without it being a princess.

I did not feel threatened at all watching the movie. I laughed hard at Bob's struggles because I have had a lot of those same issues.

This was not some sequel thrown together for cash. This was 15 YEARS in the making. Brad Bird was not releasing this movie until he was happy. If Disney was trying to milk the Incredibles for cash than we would already have a TV show and would likely be on the fourth or fifth movie.

This movie was a creation of love. The actors love these characters. The director loves the concept. They took their time to get it right. Thats why they did the "thank you for waiting" before the movie.

Posted by djsdawg

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 5:52 pm to OMLandshark

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Jack Jack is the greatest baby ever.

Best part of movie but baby groot is the best baby ever.

Posted by alajones

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:39 pm to Freauxzen

I didn’t see any agenda pushing at all.

I didn’t like the non human looking supers. They don’t seem like they could “blend in”.

I’m not a lib, but my daughter is huge into movies like me and I liked that this movie passed the Bechtokd test, twice.

I loved the apology at the beginning. I also liked seeing how awesome Elastagirl is. She’s smart and detectivish, she is a pilot and the elasti cycle was awesome.