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re: IGN's Top 100 Villains of All Time
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:46 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:46 pm to OMLandshark
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2) The Joker- Batman
1) Darth Vader- Star Wars
Jesus Christ.
What a way to placate your target audience.
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Nurse Ratched- One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
One of the most ruthless, sociopaths and cold as ice characters to ever appear on screen.
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8) Hannibal Lector- Silence of the Lambs
Should obviously be higher.
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8) Hannibal Lector- Silence of the Lambs
7) Voldemort- Harry Potter
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:50 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I really like the TV version of Lector. I'm sure they only allowed one incarnation of a character but that character is the textbook definition of villain
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:53 pm to REG861
And where are these guys on the list?
Norman Stansfield
Angel Eyes
Captain Vidal
Norman Stansfield
Angel Eyes
Captain Vidal
This post was edited on 9/2/16 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:56 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Should obviously be higher.
But he's not the antagonist. He's just a super creepy guy that helps Clarice find the actual antagonist, Buffalo Bill. Buffalo Bill would appear on my list, but Lector would not. He's not a top 10 villain simply by the definition. He's villainous, sure, but he's not the villain. You might could use other Lector stories to say he's the antagonist, but not Silence of the Lambs.
This post was edited on 9/2/16 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:00 pm to OMLandshark
AFI's made more sense.
1. Dr. Hannibal Lecter
2. Norman Bates
3. Vadar
4. Wicked Witch of the West
5. Nurse Ratched
6. Mr. Potter (this is still a great choice, he represents the evil corporate bastards...who started the downfall.)
7. Alex Forrest (athletes probably have her #1)
8. Phyllis Dietrichson (cold as hell)
9. Regan MacNeil (The Devil! It's the damn devil)
10. The Evil Queen
Honorable mention: HAL 9000
1. Dr. Hannibal Lecter
2. Norman Bates
3. Vadar
4. Wicked Witch of the West
5. Nurse Ratched
6. Mr. Potter (this is still a great choice, he represents the evil corporate bastards...who started the downfall.)
7. Alex Forrest (athletes probably have her #1)
8. Phyllis Dietrichson (cold as hell)
9. Regan MacNeil (The Devil! It's the damn devil)
10. The Evil Queen
Honorable mention: HAL 9000
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:30 pm to OMLandshark
Ramsey Bolten is too low at 27. Didn't see Joffrey.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:39 pm to OMLandshark
That list is shite without Doyle Hargraves in Sling Blade on it
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:39 pm to OMLandshark
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14) Hans Gruber- Die Hard
My #1
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:49 pm to THRILLHO
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Way to mix your Top 100 hero and villain list, IGN.
Walter White is one of the biggest pieces of shite in television history
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:51 pm to UncleBlazer
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Walter White is one of the biggest pieces of shite in television history
That doesn't necessarily make him a villain though.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:53 pm to OMLandshark
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That doesn't necessarily make him a villain though.
Well yeah but he is certainly no hero as the poster implied
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:54 pm to OMLandshark
It's amazing how underrated Buffalo Bill is. He's way more memorable than a lot of others on this list.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:02 pm to RLDSC FAN
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It's amazing how underrated Buffalo Bill is. He's way more memorable than a lot of others on this list.
I know. It drives me fricking insane how people forget about him. All I hear about is Lector being the greatest villain ever, when he isn't even the fricking antagonist in the film they're all referring to. Instead, they all ignore someone who is way more terrifying and creepy than Lector is in Buffalo Bill. Buffalo Bill is way more horrifying.
Whenever I bring up why Buffalo Bill is a better villain and far worse than Lector is, it goes into one ear and out the other. No, Hannibal Lector isn't in Top 10 Greatest Villains ever. He may barely make the Top Hundred. But Buffalo Bill? frick yeah, he's way up there.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:04 pm to RLDSC FAN
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It's amazing how underrated Buffalo Bill is.
If he were the one villain, he'd be huge with more screen time.
But Silence makes it complicated and muddles who the real villain is.
Granted Buffalo Bill had become a pop-culture icon and quoting him and in skits on TV has been hugely popular.
I mean..."it puts the lotion in the basket, it does this whenever it's told" was quoted for so many movie-goers from the 90's on.
Silence had more pubic catch-phrase stuff than people remember. The movie was so huge...everyone had read the book...it was a crazy time.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:07 pm to OMLandshark
Agree with all of that. Hopkins was simply incredible as Lector, but it was a small role and I never found him to be scary. Bill, on the other hand, was freaking terrifying. I always do his goodbye horses dance routine to my wife, she hates it Just an awesome villain.
Just an awesome villain.Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:11 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
But you guys forget what makes Lecter a top villain is that he was genius...and highly educated.
And yet he ended up sinking into base instincts. He was a fallen star...because he was totally insane, despite how logical he could be.
Which is the scariest thing...a psychopath who can be totally logical and normal and then just rip you apart and feed your brain to you.
Buffalo Bill was just a moron wanna-be trans. He had no cunning, no real intellect.
And yet he ended up sinking into base instincts. He was a fallen star...because he was totally insane, despite how logical he could be.
Which is the scariest thing...a psychopath who can be totally logical and normal and then just rip you apart and feed your brain to you.
Buffalo Bill was just a moron wanna-be trans. He had no cunning, no real intellect.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:11 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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If he were the one villain, he'd be huge with more screen time.
He is the one villain though. You just remember Lector because he had more screen time. If solely take no in Silence of the Lambs, then he's not the villain by definition.
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But Silence makes it complicated and muddles who the real villain is.
Maybe with the other cops, but not with the protagonist Clarice. Lector does not pose a threat to her directly and actually assists her.
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Granted Buffalo Bill had become a pop-culture icon and quoting him and in skits on TV has been hugely popular.
I mean..."it puts the lotion in the basket, it does this whenever it's told" was quoted for so many movie-goers from the 90's on.
Silence had more pubic catch-phrase stuff than people remember. The movie was so huge...everyone had read the book...it was a crazy time.
But people who say "Hannibal Lector is the greatest villain of all time" by default don't give Buffalo Bill his due. It's people jacking off to Hannibal and how creepy he is just make Buffalo Bill an aside and just say the lotion scene. Buffalo Bill is worse than Lector. Lector is just creepy who is invested in things that interest him.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:17 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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But you guys forget what makes Lecter a top villain is that he was genius...and highly educated.
By that definition, Shelock Holmes and Batman are villains.
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And yet he ended up sinking into base instincts. He was a fallen star...because he was totally insane, despite how logical he could be.
None of this means he's the villain.
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Which is the scariest thing...a psychopath who can be totally logical and normal and then just rip you apart and feed your brain to you.
None of this means he's the villain either.
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Buffalo Bill was just a moron wanna-be trans. He had no cunning
So? Does a person have to be cunning to be a villain? Does he have to be smart to be terrifying? No. Buffalo Bill was unstable as frick and my absolute worst nightmare to be trapped with. I'd rather be trapped in a room with a Xenomorph than in a well with Buffalo Bill.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:17 pm to OMLandshark
Star Trek - Khan (presumably they mean real Khan, not fake Khan) at 35 is criminally low - should be Top 5 or Top 8 at the very minimum.
And speaking of Star Trek - no Q? Gul Dukat?
Rubbish list is rubbish.
And speaking of Star Trek - no Q? Gul Dukat?
Rubbish list is rubbish.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:20 pm to OMLandshark
Buffalo wasn't a pro. He was trash.
Lecter was the scary intellect gone insane.
Look at who we revel in these top lists. They all have mostly accomplished something before being evil.
Buffalo Bill could be seen as just another run-of-the-mill serial killer.
Lecter was the intriguing character...because he was once a star and very accomplished and of course, he was smart.
Smart villains always carry more cache. Because they can charm...and then you don't expect dread. Vadar was one note - he didn't charm - he just strangled people - but he had a story that would come, and he had the biggest mystery in the history of cinema...
Buffalo Bill hid from the movie.
The scariest thing in movies is people in our society...who produce but have that evil side.
Like the Nurse or Hannibal...The Nurse is the worst, she is supposed to help you and does everything in her power to fry you...out of spite.
Lecter was the scary intellect gone insane.
Look at who we revel in these top lists. They all have mostly accomplished something before being evil.
Buffalo Bill could be seen as just another run-of-the-mill serial killer.
Lecter was the intriguing character...because he was once a star and very accomplished and of course, he was smart.
Smart villains always carry more cache. Because they can charm...and then you don't expect dread. Vadar was one note - he didn't charm - he just strangled people - but he had a story that would come, and he had the biggest mystery in the history of cinema...
Buffalo Bill hid from the movie.
The scariest thing in movies is people in our society...who produce but have that evil side.
Like the Nurse or Hannibal...The Nurse is the worst, she is supposed to help you and does everything in her power to fry you...out of spite.
This post was edited on 9/2/16 at 11:23 pm
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