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re: “If you don’t like the casting, don’t watch the show” – Cleopatra

Posted on 4/16/23 at 4:28 pm to
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 4/16/23 at 4:28 pm to
Is there any doubt that JPS is a manipulative, controlling narcissistic psychopath?


Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104052 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 4:35 pm to
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So dishonest as always. What do you think the the reactions to this would be?


Not sure why anyone bothers giving that dude's posts the time it takes to read them.
Posted by Froman
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 4/16/23 at 4:37 pm to
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clearly non-black historical figures


The whole point is that it’s not clear that she was non-black. And the reason it’s okay for black people to play roles traditionally played by whites and not okay for white people to play other races is because 99% of every role for a hundred years was written for white people. A little inclusion and diversity is not harming anyone cause now only 90% of roles are for white people.

I don’t get the impression that you are a very bright person, and your post history seems to echo that, so your insults don’t mean much.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
24176 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 4:46 pm to
go frick yourself lib

It’s not okay for blacks to play legacy characters or historical characters of other races, period.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 4/16/23 at 4:46 pm to
Oh the irony
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 4/16/23 at 4:47 pm to
The guy is just a useful idiot for the propo he defends.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 4/16/23 at 4:47 pm to
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The whole point is that it’s not clear that she was non-black.
We have most of her lineage and none of what IS known points to any African blood.

So why assume it must be, when all the evidence suggests otherwise?


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And the reason it’s okay for black people to play roles traditionally played by whites and not okay for white people to play other races is because 99% of every role for a hundred years was written for white people.* A little inclusion and diversity is not harming anyone cause now only 90% of roles are for white people.


Cleopatra wasn't a 'role'. She existed in the real world. We're not talking Lady Macbeth or some freaking Dwarven Queen.

Ann Boleyn, Joan D'Arc, Hamilton , etc... NONE of them were mere roles and none of them were 'black'.

* This isn't how history works. Good grief.

I have to believe you're trolling the board and don't really buy this crap. Otherwise, ... WOW.
This post was edited on 4/16/23 at 4:49 pm
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6135 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 4:56 pm to
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And the reason it’s okay for black people to play roles traditionally played by whites and not okay for white people to play other races is because 99% of every role for a hundred years was written for white people.

So why not just make new movies with black roles? There is nothing stopping them. But it's patently insane to cast different race actors for actual, existing humans. And it's not like they're even doing the usual showing up American whites, now they're shitting on Egyptian and Greek history.

Not a soul in the world cares if anyone makes a new story with new characters of any race. Some people get worked up if you race swap existing and beloved characters just for the hell of it (I'm in that camp), but it's fricking bonkers to make a historical epic and just race swap actual historical figures. That'd be like casting a Korean woman as Harriet Tubman.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70791 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 4:57 pm to
The facts that destroy the narratives people like him push are very simple.

-ESG scores
-Population percentages

Of course there’s more but those two are sufficient to debunk that BS.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39281 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 5:15 pm to
Damn. Complete destruction of a dumbass in one post
Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
*wears khakis
Member since Jun 2012
13063 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 5:16 pm to
Don’t watch the show? Didn’t plan on it.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 4/16/23 at 5:17 pm to
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The whole point is that it’s not clear that she was non-black. And the reason it’s okay for black people to play roles traditionally played by whites and not okay for white people to play other races is because 99% of every role for a hundred years was written for white people.


So purposeful misrepresentation of history is acceptable. How very 1984 of you, O'Brien.
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
17428 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 5:26 pm to
quote:

If you don’t like the casting, don’t watch the show” – Cleopatra



She can consider that a done deal
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/16/23 at 5:29 pm to
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The whole point is that it’s not clear that she was non-black.

It is clear. Quite literally the only thing that even opens the possibility of her being black is that part of her lineage from the same continent that most black people originate from. But that continent is massive, and is home to plenty of non-black people. The part of her lineage in question is believed to come from a non-black region of that continent. Meanwhile, there is literally nothing indicating she was black.

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And the reason it’s okay for black people to play roles traditionally played by whites and not okay for white people to play other races is because 99% of every role for a hundred years was written for white people.

Cleopatra isn’t a role you progressive dumbass. She was an actual person. Until you’re ready to post that it would be okay for Jon cena to play Muhammad Ali in an upcoming movie, your thoughts on this are hypocritical nonsense and less than worthless.

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A little inclusion and diversity is not harming anyone cause now only 90% of roles are for white people.

Inclusion and diversity quite literally do harm people. Every day. That’s how we end up with your side appointing Supreme Court judges that don’t know what a woman is.

On the other hand, historical accuracy has never hurt anyone.

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I don’t get the impression that you are a very bright person, and your post history seems to echo that

As a progressive, you aren’t intelligent enough to judge my brightness or understand my post history.

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so your insults don’t mean much.

Facts aren’t insults.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47194 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 5:32 pm to
I'm confused. We were told to NOT buy tickets and go see Black Panther 2 so as to allow for ALLLL those black folks first crack at getting seats opening weekend.

It failed, bigly. And because of that, we were all called racists.

So they're telling us to NOT see this show now either.

What exactly is the end game here? More bad reviews, more dislikes on Netflix so they can then claim racism??? Again??

Goddamn professional WHINERS is what these people are!
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 4/16/23 at 5:36 pm to
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Is there any doubt that JPS is a manipulative, controlling narcissistic psychopath?


Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
76521 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 5:50 pm to
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The whole point is that it’s not clear that she was non-black.


As a amatuer historian I rarely deal in absolutes. Cleopatra was not black.

As I posted earlier if John Wayne can play Genghis khan well...
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84749 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 6:03 pm to
Oh look, it’s Jay Are defending woke casting by telling us we’re the problem for caring.

You progs used to say “it’s a fictional character who can be any race” but that was so five years ago, before actual white people who existed in history were race swapped.

Race is so incredibly unimportant except it’s important to the producers who keep race swapping.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47194 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 6:06 pm to
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if John Wayne can play Genghis khan well...


In a highly fictionalized Hollywood production which was mocked even when it was released.

Which is completely different than the docuseries that this is being sold as to the Netflix audience.

I look forward to giving it a thumbs down.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84749 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 6:11 pm to
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Egyptian History was one of my studies in college,


Well then you’ve latched on to the absurd ahistorical Afrocentric viewpoint
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