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re: I seriously am in shock reading this board with the negative opinions
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:26 am to wildtigercat93
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:26 am to wildtigercat93
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It’s not a story arc at all. It’s a waste of time.
This makes no sense
It's an extremely realistic path for a human being to take in a show or IRL
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:26 am to slackster
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Does everyone have a legend that half of their lineage goes mad?
And everyone’s alternative to her as queen is.....another targ? Makes sense.
Her brother was the mad one. Her father was the mad one. She was supposed to be different. In the end the only lesson we learned was “Targs are bad mmmmmkay” at the last minute
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:27 am to Pettifogger
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It's an extremely realistic path for a human being to take in a show or IRL
Not many interesting shows that give you no growth or change throughout the series.
Again it isn’t Seinfeld
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:28 am to Tiger the Hutt
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Why? It made total sense. Jaime was in love with Cersei.
It makes total sense if you cut out Seasons 2-7 out of existence.
No change.
Everyone is the same.
We just wanted to put on some cool battles and then circle back to square 1
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:30 am to slackster
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When everything crumbled around her, she reverted to her true self - the mad queen.
While I agree with that, it was just a step on becoming the mad queen. Mereen taught her to unleash her dragons and not let them be chained in the earth. But even if she wasn't "destined" to be the Mad Queen (and I think this is a show that thinks destiny is hogwash), Mereen demonstrated that she was a bad ruler, or at the very least, not ready to rule on her own.
And since then, she has grown more confident in her infallibility despite plenty of evidence to contrary, while she has either lost her most trusted advisors or discarded her new ones in Westeros.
Ruling is hard. Being a just ruler is even harder. Here, Danys decideds she has no interest in being a just ruler, or even much of a ruler at all. She will rule over the ashes, mainly because she knows that Jon has the better claim to the throne, which shakes the core of her claim and her self-indentity, so she razes the city not to subdue it, as it was already subdued, but to A) have petty and meaningless revenge but more importantly, B) prevent Jon from ever ruling it. There's nothing left to rule.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:31 am to wildtigercat93
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It makes total sense if you cut out Seasons 2-7 out of existence.
No change.
Everyone is the same.
We just wanted to put on some cool battles and then circle back to square 1
Yeesh.
Jamie told you many times through S2-7 that he loved and would always go back to Cersei.
It was obvious Jamie would always return to Cersei. The only question was whether he would mercy kill her or not.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:31 am to BilJ
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It just seems they skipped a few steps going from ‘ yeah she’s got some dark tendencies’ to a totally murderous psychopath. Going mad queen doesn’t bother me but the route there was pretty sloppy
Exactly
The Showdors can't separate the 2 concepts
It also kind of requires you to not think too hard about how we got here, because the journey gets so much worse on re-examination.
I mean all the bullshite forced conflict creating drama so that we thought she would have trouble winning? How utterly silly was all that? Hell they invalidated the entire NK story in this process.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:32 am to wildtigercat93
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It makes total sense if you cut out Seasons 2-7 out of existence.
No change.
Everyone is the same.
We just wanted to put on some cool battles and then circle back to square 1
You got duped man. It happens. Shake it off.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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The Showdors can't separate the 2 concepts
If this shite had been telegraphed over multiple seasons you and your ilk would have trashed the show for being too predictable. Let's at least be honest about it.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:34 am to slackster
You act like everyone complaining has hated the show the whole time.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:35 am to slackster
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You got duped man. It happens. Shake it of
I got duped in the Happening too. Doesn’t make it good.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:36 am to slackster
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If this shite had been telegraphed over multiple seasons you and your ilk would have trashed the show for being too predictable. Let's at least be honest about it.
Wait I thought all these things have been telegraphed and we are too stupid to have seen it?
Now it seems you are saying it was a twist to surprise everyone? Trying to figure out which one
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:36 am to wildtigercat93
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Not many interesting shows that give you no growth or change throughout the series.
Again it isn’t Seinfeld
Crying that Dany's insecurity and latent issues won out and that instead she should have gone from entitled brat to dull, benevolent ruler is hilarious, especially when wrapped up in a nose-in-the-air film critic delivery.
Also, it's a fun show about dragons and ice people based on fairly unremarkable fantasy books - it's not that big of a deal
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:37 am to slackster
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If this shite had been telegraphed over multiple seasons you and your ilk would have trashed the show for being too predictable
For an equivalent, if John Snow had randomly been the one to kill Lannister soldiers who had yielded, you'd feel that was legit? Because shock is what "we" wanted?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:38 am to Pettifogger
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Crying that Dany's insecurity and latent issues won out and that instead she should have gone from entitled brat to dull, benevolent ruler is hilarious, especially when wrapped up in a nose-in-the-air film critic delivery.
this
dude wanted the most basic hero arc/tropes for everyone
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:38 am to slackster
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I cannot believe presumably intelligent people can't come to grips with the Dany heel turn.
It’s hard to put it into words. It has been laid out through the entire course of the show.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:39 am to wildtigercat93
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Wait I thought all these things have been telegraphed and we are too stupid to have seen it?
Now it seems you are saying it was a twist to surprise everyone? Trying to figure out which one
The signs were always there. You guys didn't see them. Plenty of people did.
Had they made it anymore clear, you'd have bitched about it being too predictable.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:40 am to OceanMan
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It’s hard to put it into words. It has been laid out through the entire course of the show.
I could see her doing all sorts of evil shite to the Lannister soldiers, the Golden Company, and the Iron Fleet, but I think going from chilling in Winterfell to massacring a million innocent people is a stretch in 2 episodes.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 9:41 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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For an equivalent, if John Snow had randomly been the one to kill Lannister soldiers who had yielded, you'd feel that was legit? Because shock is what "we" wanted?
Of course not, because there was absolutely zero inclination it would happen.
When the bells were ringing and Dany was sitting there, had she done anything but torch the city, it would have been shocking.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:44 am to OMLandshark
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could see her doing all sorts of evil shite to the Lannister soldiers, the Golden Company, and the Iron Fleet, but I think going from chilling in Winterfell to massacring a million innocent people is a stretch in 2 episodes.
Considering there are parallels to this in every day life, I'm not sure why it's so hard to swallow.
People get fired from work and go back to kill everyone there, yet Dany being betrayed by Jon, Varys, and Tyrion, as well as losing Melisandre, isn't a realistic tipping point for some of you?
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