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re: How would you structure Star Wars IX?
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:41 pm to Rhames
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:41 pm to Rhames
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Isn't that kind of explained with the kids at the end?
But how do the kids know? All they know is that Luke Skywalker showed up.... OK, then what? This is supposed to inspire people? Ummm, no, I don't buy it. It's a plot hole since the First Order isn't talking.
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:46 pm to Tiger Ryno
Its already fricked
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:46 pm to OMLandshark
Someone on the falcon got word out?
Out of the things to pick apart on the movie, the question of "how did word get out so fast" in a movie universe where technology isn't an issue seems a little harsh. To each their own though. If it bothers you, it bothers you.
Not even mentioning the kids are surrounded by weapons dealers who would probably know before anyone.
Out of the things to pick apart on the movie, the question of "how did word get out so fast" in a movie universe where technology isn't an issue seems a little harsh. To each their own though. If it bothers you, it bothers you.
Not even mentioning the kids are surrounded by weapons dealers who would probably know before anyone.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:50 pm to Tiger Ryno
I'll just add this.
I didn't have all that much hate after first seeing it....
I only watched it once, but after having time to process....Rian Johnson really did f up the entire universe and just shite all over everything that was set up before...
The Leia Poppins thing...the sea cow hooters...just stupid and pointless.
I didn't have all that much hate after first seeing it....
I only watched it once, but after having time to process....Rian Johnson really did f up the entire universe and just shite all over everything that was set up before...
The Leia Poppins thing...the sea cow hooters...just stupid and pointless.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:52 pm to Rhames
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Someone on the falcon got word out?
You're not getting my point: No one on the Falcon saw what happened to Luke. He very easily could have been killed by Kylo Ren. There is no story here, just "two stupid forces basically killed each other due to being a bunch of incompetent nitwits".
It's like saying that Stalingrad should inspire the West.... I mean sure they're glad that the Nazis were defeated, but there's nothing inspiring about this, and these people who won are also communists. I just don't know what there's left to resist or why anyone would take these clowns who can fit on the Falcon seriously.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:53 pm to Rhames
quote:No
to the idea that she wasn't any of those
That was a Rian curve ball based on nothing.Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:00 pm to OMLandshark
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Plus no one knows what happened to Luke Skywalker. For all they know, Kylo Ren killed him. How is word of this getting out? At best the other planets will think the Resistance and the First Order were a bunch of losers that killed each other off. Someone should easily be able to field an army to take on the remains of the First Order.
I do get your point. I think you just aren't seeing all the pieces that were laid out and it's causing it to be an issue for you.
They know he sacrificed himself for them to get away. Poe acknowledges he is giving them time to escape and then both Rey and Leia sense when he becomes one with the force.
Also I'm pretty sure that was not the entire first order on Crait.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:01 pm to AlxTgr
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No That was a Rian curve ball based on nothing
You can believe that but it's not all on him.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:03 pm to Tiger Ryno
I would structure it by acting like Star Wars VIII was an induced dream of Han’s while he was in carbonite, then redo EP. 8.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:03 pm to Tiger Ryno
Make the last movie all a dream like Dallas did.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:04 pm to OMLandshark
quote:you're fixated on the mess that was created by TLJ. That's understandable.
OMLandshark
Like the OP stated, what's the best thing you can do going forward to fix Ep IX?
My theory is to use what has been presented, to completely wipe the slate clean of Empire, Sith, Jedi etc rivalries, and present a new and deadly threat. One that doesn't rely on the Force, and one that would require both Light and Dark working together to have any chance.
We currently have 1 Light and 1 Dark user, and we've already seen that together they do form a formidable fighting team.
We've been told time and again that the Force is somehow tied to life, that includes the Dark side (since it's just a side). Extinction of life would appear to equal extinction of the Force.
Force working in unity for self-preservation; to do so you have to eliminate the Jedi and Sith rivalry (hence, "The Last Jedi"). You get rid of Snoke, Luke, and anyone else who would oppose one side, leaving... 2 opposing Force users, one Light and one Dark, working in conjunction.
Si vis pacem, para bellum- If you want peace, prepare for war.
As jumbled and conflicting as the last 2 movies have been, EVERYTHING presented in those two films does leave this concept completely intact.
There is no single, united government or military left to defend it's population from outside attack, they've been decimating themselves.
All older, set-in-their-ways teachers and mentors that would preach the supremacy of one side of the Force over the other; they're all gone. Snoke, the Jedi, all of them.
The Force isn't acting as it had... Rey wasn't seduced or tormented by the Dark Side. It showed her a path, as such, but it didn't try to change her, only enlighten her.
Luke hinted that the Jedi had left things out in their teachings, suggestions of a united approach.
Kylo is ready to move forward (forget the past, kill it if you must). That COULD suggest he's ready to forget the Light/Dark conflict.
Rey and Kylo are opposing, but linked. They've even teased us by showing the two fighting as one team.
Hell, like I said, Rose's little speech can be used as justification for the 'good guys' enlisting Kylo Ren, since they would be fighting to survive (save what you love), not fighting to stop the Dark Side (kill what you hate).
They COULD DO THIS, and change absolutely nothing that has yet been introduced. And I think it potentially could elevate Star Wars back into uncontested #1 epic territory.
This would mean- we haven't seen the bad guys yet. Kylo and Rey are the good guys. Snoke was just a footnote to establish Kylo as the Dark Side user.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:08 pm to Rhames
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They know he sacrificed himself for them to get away. Poe acknowledges he is giving them time to escape and then both Rey and Leia sense when he becomes one with the force.
OK, and the hero that everyone had been waiting for is killed by Kylo Ren? Did they mention to the others how Rose gets almost everyone killed? Where was this story supposed to inspire people? It's a story of sacrificial stupidity where everyone gets killed.
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Also I'm pretty sure that was not the entire first order on Crait.
Well, if they're not, why will these people surrender to Kylo Ren? Do you think that Snoke's generals that aren't nearby are going to surrender to the likes of him? He needs to be close to them to be any threat. I mean his fleet is decimated. What is he going to do to have them surrender to him? Just don't accept the whiny emos phone calls, and send those new Hyperspace missiles you've developed to strike him. Best Case Scenario the First Order should be completely fractured and enough for the remains of the Republic (it's not like Starkiller Base wiped them all out or even a sizable percentage) to come together and destroy them.
There was no thought of what would happen in the future given to this film whatsoever.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:09 pm to OMLandshark
Well, that's just it. People seem to think that the franchise can somehow be "fixed." This thread is evidence of that.
They set out to kill "white male" Star Wars, and as a franchise, they did. They can't destroy the originals, though they did get GL to try really hard.
All we can do is not see the next 50 star wars movies, and let them know that, politics aside. they just suck at storytelling. The real question should be whether they're using this PC "racist, sexist" line as a PR excuse, or if they really do believe that the patriarchy or whatever is the reason their movie was not well received.
But, none of it matters if you keep paying them to shite all over you. How about quit rewarding them at the box office?
They set out to kill "white male" Star Wars, and as a franchise, they did. They can't destroy the originals, though they did get GL to try really hard.
All we can do is not see the next 50 star wars movies, and let them know that, politics aside. they just suck at storytelling. The real question should be whether they're using this PC "racist, sexist" line as a PR excuse, or if they really do believe that the patriarchy or whatever is the reason their movie was not well received.
But, none of it matters if you keep paying them to shite all over you. How about quit rewarding them at the box office?
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:12 pm to Scoob
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Like the OP stated, what's the best thing you can do going forward to fix Ep IX?
I've got nothing. The errors in TLJ are so overwhelming that it stifles anything rational moving forward. I have no ideas where to take it with the disaster we have before us.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:13 pm to blueboy
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But, none of it matters if you keep paying them to shite all over you. How about quit rewarding them at the box office?
That's my plan with Solo. And I went and saw it opening night, so I was absolutely sucker punched because it had like a 95% on RT at the time.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:20 pm to Scoob
quote:
you're fixated on the mess that was created by TLJ. That's understandable.
Like the OP stated, what's the best thing you can do going forward to fix Ep IX?
My theory is to use what has been presented, to completely wipe the slate clean of Empire, Sith, Jedi etc rivalries, and present a new and deadly threat. One that doesn't rely on the Force, and one that would require both Light and Dark working together to have any chance.
We currently have 1 Light and 1 Dark user, and we've already seen that together they do form a formidable fighting team.
We've been told time and again that the Force is somehow tied to life, that includes the Dark side (since it's just a side). Extinction of life would appear to equal extinction of the Force.
Force working in unity for self-preservation; to do so you have to eliminate the Jedi and Sith rivalry (hence, "The Last Jedi"). You get rid of Snoke, Luke, and anyone else who would oppose one side, leaving... 2 opposing Force users, one Light and one Dark, working in conjunction.
Si vis pacem, para bellum- If you want peace, prepare for war.
As jumbled and conflicting as the last 2 movies have been, EVERYTHING presented in those two films does leave this concept completely intact.
There is no single, united government or military left to defend it's population from outside attack, they've been decimating themselves.
All older, set-in-their-ways teachers and mentors that would preach the supremacy of one side of the Force over the other; they're all gone. Snoke, the Jedi, all of them.
The Force isn't acting as it had... Rey wasn't seduced or tormented by the Dark Side. It showed her a path, as such, but it didn't try to change her, only enlighten her.
Luke hinted that the Jedi had left things out in their teachings, suggestions of a united approach.
Kylo is ready to move forward (forget the past, kill it if you must). That COULD suggest he's ready to forget the Light/Dark conflict.
Rey and Kylo are opposing, but linked. They've even teased us by showing the two fighting as one team.
Hell, like I said, Rose's little speech can be used as justification for the 'good guys' enlisting Kylo Ren, since they would be fighting to survive (save what you love), not fighting to stop the Dark Side (kill what you hate).
They COULD DO THIS, and change absolutely nothing that has yet been introduced. And I think it potentially could elevate Star Wars back into uncontested #1 epic territory.
This would mean- we haven't seen the bad guys yet. Kylo and Rey are the good guys. Snoke was just a footnote to establish Kylo as the Dark Side user.
Hell....that's a pretty good idea.
PS: I do not watch the cartoons, have not read the EU books or novelizations of the movies, etc. My only real knowledge of Star Wars comes from the movies and several of the video games. So take my opinion for what it's worth...nothing
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:23 pm to OMLandshark
After Sony got busted paying reviewers, it became clear that none of the rating sites can be trusted.
On a related note, how much must Wrinkle in Time suck if even the reviewers are shitting on it, Disney and Oprah notwithstanding?
On a related note, how much must Wrinkle in Time suck if even the reviewers are shitting on it, Disney and Oprah notwithstanding?
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:24 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
Well, if they're not, why will these people surrender to Kylo Ren? Do you think that Snoke's generals that aren't nearby are going to surrender to the likes of him? He needs to be close to them to be any threat. I mean his fleet is decimated. What is he going to do to have them surrender to him? Just don't accept the whiny emos phone calls, and send those new Hyperspace missiles you've developed to strike him. Best Case Scenario the First Order should be completely fractured and enough for the remains of the Republic (it's not like Starkiller Base wiped them all out or even a sizable percentage) to come together and destroy them
Maybe those are things they can do in the next movie
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OK, and the hero that everyone had been waiting for is killed by Kylo Ren? Did they mention to the others how Rose gets almost everyone killed? Where was this story supposed to inspire people? It's a story of sacrificial stupidity where everyone gets killed.
I didn't see it that way. I guess all scrafices can be looked at with this lens. I just took it as Luke realizing he needed to help them somehow and ensure rey could help lead the new rebellion.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:26 pm to Scoob
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Trilogies were great when you could make 3 good films in a decade;
Ok
quote:
Marvel has shoved close to 20 into a decade.
Seems like to me they’ve made the same movie 20 times plus once more for making the last Jedi into marvel movie
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:30 pm to Tiger Ryno
quote:
Majestic Return Of Luke in the flesh somehow.
Show the Rebellion being near constantly extremely lucky and competent.
Have Rey eventually led somewhere important in the OT or PT by this. Maybe tie it altogether and go with Bespin.
Force ghosts appear congregated there lead by our old standard bearers of Yoda, Obi, sebastian Anakin.
They've been guiding the rebels using the force through battle meditation.
Luke strides through them looking blue at first. When all the way through in the flesh.
He can force walk/teleport now. The lesson imparted by Yoda's burning or the tree and using it as a conduit.
He then starts training Rey in the place of his failure against Vader/cut away/ Maybe takes her through to Endor for a how to redeem Ben.
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