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re: How far ahead of it's time was Star Wars?

Posted on 3/7/11 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by PJinAtl
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 12:44 pm to
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That's the big problem I have with modern CGI. It's too frenetic and impossible-looking.

I wish more people would still make movies like the original Star Wars, with real locations, modelwork, makeup and real stunts.
Exactly. Now that most, if not all fx are done in a computer, you can do just about anything, but then again everything starts to look the same. When working on orginal trilogy things the fx artists had to get creative.

With the original trilogy, the backdrops were all painted works, and the ships/action scenes were all done with models, which gave a more realistic feel to it - parts that were on the outsides of ships really were three dimensional and not just shaded/foreshortened to look that way Lucas was well ahead of his time with ILM and (later) Skywalker Sound, not just with Star Wars but with other movies they were a part of.

Going back to the creative part, I remember seeing a documentary piece on the model making, and one of the things they had to do was either for flying the trench on DeathStar 1 or into the interior on DeathStar 2, the space wasn't large enough to fit the camera into in order to track the ships, so they had to make the set "unzip" like a zipper. The models went down the track with the camera behind them pulled in on a tight shot. After the models passed, the entire set slit left and right so the camera housing could follow.

Also, the lengths they went to in order to get/create sounds. I think the sound of the blasters came from banging something against the braided metal guidewires of tv/radio broadcast antennas. The sound of the giant boulder at the beginning of Raiders of the Lost Ark came from putting a car in neutral, shutting off the engine and letting it roll down a gravel road with a mic pointed at the contact patch of one of the wheels.
Posted by alajones
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Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 12:48 pm to
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Im sure ive seen something else with Mark Hamill in it, I just cant think of it right now. But he drove me nuts, dear god he was a terrible actor.
Even looking back on it, I think he pulls off Luke's character just fine. Luke really isn't a "deep" character. He's emotional, idealistic, immature, impetious, etc.

Besides, when compared to the later acting performances, Hamill looks like De Niro.
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 1:12 pm to
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The problem with most science fiction movies and shows today is being overly reliant on the special effects at the expense of the story.
Luckily, BSG didn't have this problem.
Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 1:25 pm to
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Im sure ive seen something else with Mark Hamill in it, I just cant think of it right now.

Corvette Summer

That one is great. It's where I learned the line, "You white boys are all about speed. It's not how fast you get there. It's how good you look when you arrive." Said the latino in a decked out low rider.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 1:44 pm to
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Also, the lengths they went to in order to get/create sounds. I think the sound of the blasters came from banging something against the braided metal guidewires of tv/radio broadcast antennas. The sound of the giant boulder at the beginning of Raiders of the Lost Ark came from putting a car in neutral, shutting off the engine and letting it roll down a gravel road with a mic pointed at the contact patch of one of the wheels.


Hitchcock used to do stuff similar to this.
He would line up like every possible melon and have people slice them in half and spend all day doing this to get the perfect sound.
Posted by constant cough
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 1:56 pm to
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Im sure ive seen something else with Mark Hamill in it, I just cant think of it right now.



Only other movie I think I've seen him in was the Sam Fuller war movie The Big Red One.

Star Wars wasn't so much ahead of it's time as it was the most advanced effects of the time. Yeah it also had a good story but good stories aren't anything new.
Posted by ChicagoTiger
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 2:45 pm to
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Star Wars was light years ahead of anything in special effects.


i have the making of book and it has some really interesting bits about the Camera's they basically had to create in order to film the space scenes. These guys were pretty much the James Cameron's of the 70's
Posted by TDTGodfather
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 2:54 pm to
star wars was a great story and what it did almost flawlessly was transport you into their world of science fiction/fantasy while all the while getting you to identify with the main characters.

i would agree that it was ahead of its time with special effects.

Posted by cosmicdingo
Springhill, La.
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 3/8/11 at 9:48 am to
It made too much money to be anything but Right Place, Right Time.However, it DID pretty much signal the end to the so called Golden Age of American moviemaking.
Posted by Baloo
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/8/11 at 9:51 am to
While that's a little unfair, you're not wrong. Studios shifted their business model from making many solid movies that would all turn a bit of a profit to trying to hit home runs with a massive blockbuster spectacle. It really has lead to an extreme decline in quality of summer movies, as studios try and make a blockbuster simply by making it bigger and louder.

Posted by Superior Pariah
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 3/8/11 at 9:58 am to
I blame Spielberg and Lucas (among other reasons) for ruining the artistry of films and turning them into business ventures.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 3/8/11 at 10:10 am to
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However, it DID pretty much signal the end to the so called Golden Age of American moviemaking.


Hmm. Good point, i've never thought of it that way.

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I blame Spielberg and Lucas (among other reasons) for ruining the artistry of films and turning them into business ventures.


I see what you are saying, but why Spielberg? He has made a ton of big in your face popcorn movies, many of them with no soul. But he also has made some pretty fantastic films with great stories, many of which were very artistic. His films have faded off here of late but he had a nice run there for a while.
Posted by Superior Pariah
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 3/8/11 at 10:34 am to
Even Spielberg's "artistic" movies are full of hokey melodrama. Am I saying they are terrible movies? No. I'm not that big of a snob but they are what they are.

IMO Munich and Minority Report are some of the few movies of his that are truly great works. Indiana Jones as well.
Posted by whitetailed
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/8/11 at 11:32 am to
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How long was the Kessel run?


12 parsecs?
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