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How did the Seinfeld pilot get greenlit?
Posted on 12/4/20 at 8:58 am
Posted on 12/4/20 at 8:58 am
Seinfeld is one of my favorite shows of all time. I'm doing a rewatch now and started with the pilot. I've seen it a few times before, but I just can't help wonder how the show was given a go based on the pilot. The jokes are few and don't seem to land so well. The second episode has a similar feel as well.
After the first two episodes, the show really starts to hit its stride and the characters are more of the ones that we have come to know and love.
So how did such a pilot get greenlit? Was it just a lot more funny in its time and just hasn't aged well?
After the first two episodes, the show really starts to hit its stride and the characters are more of the ones that we have come to know and love.
So how did such a pilot get greenlit? Was it just a lot more funny in its time and just hasn't aged well?
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:03 am to SUB
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So how did such a pilot get greenlit? Was it just a lot more funny in its time and just hasn't aged well?
IIRC, it wasn't initially greenlit for a season, after The Seinfeld Chronicles they were given the go ahead for around three episodes.
The premiere of the pilot was a big deal for stand-up fans who'd been following Seinfeld on Letterman and Carson. We thought it was hilarious.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:27 am to SUB
I looked on the wiki and I thought this was interesting.
It came so close to not being made. Even Larry didn't believe in it.
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The show premiered as The Seinfeld Chronicles on July 5, 1989. After it aired, a pickup by NBC seemed unlikely and the show was offered to Fox, which declined to pick it up. Rick Ludwin, head of late night and special events for NBC, however, diverted money from his budget by canceling a Bob Hope television special, and the next 4 episodes were filmed.[45][46] These episodes were highly rated as they followed summer re-runs of Cheers on Thursdays at 9:30 p.m., and the series was finally picked up. At one point NBC considered airing these episodes on Saturdays at 10:30 p.m., but gave that slot to a short-lived sitcom called FM. The series was renamed simply Seinfeld after the failure of short-lived 1990 ABC series The Marshall Chronicles.[47] After airing the remaining four episodes of its first season the summer of 1990, NBC ordered thirteen more episodes. Larry David believed that he and Jerry Seinfeld had no more stories to tell, and advised Seinfeld to turn down the order, but Seinfeld agreed to the additional episodes.
It came so close to not being made. Even Larry didn't believe in it.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:36 am to SUB
That pilot was one of the worst episodes of TV I've ever watched 
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:51 am to SUB
Don’t they go over this situation on Seinfeld? I’m pretty sure the whole “Jerry” show on nbc situation was similar to how Seinfeld went down
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:51 am to Corso
And Alexander admitted he was just doing a lazy Woody Allen impression.
It was very conversational and execs thought very little plot.
When Seinfeld pitches his show in the series with George later on they're clearly making fun of their first few episodes.
It was very conversational and execs thought very little plot.
When Seinfeld pitches his show in the series with George later on they're clearly making fun of their first few episodes.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:09 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Season one is difficult to get through because the show doesn't yet have any inkling of what it wants to be. There are flashes of what it would become with episodes like the Chinese Restaurant. Beyond that, however, the first season isn't too memorable. Had that show premiered in 2019 instead of 1989 it wouldn't have made it to a second season.
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Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:53 am to SUB
George was annoying in the pilot.. his character evolved from real annoying to funny annoying..
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:09 am to SUB
I still remember the first episode of Seinfeld I saw, it was The Jacket. We should have seen more of Elaine's dad throughout the series.
This post was edited on 12/4/20 at 11:10 am
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:26 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
quote:Lawrence Tierney scared the shite out of the cast. At one point during filming the episode, they realized that a large knife had gone missing from the set. That was it. He wasn't coming back.
I still remember the first episode of Seinfeld I saw, it was The Jacket. We should have seen more of Elaine's dad throughout the series.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 12:11 pm to nes2010
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It came so close to not being made. Even Larry didn't believe in it.
Very close to not being made. But one thing that is different now is that the networks needed things to air. Network TV then was pretty much 4 30 minute sitcoms followed by an hour drama or 2 30 minute sitcoms followed by 2 hour dramas. There was no reality TV yet, mostly. So they needed a lot of shows. A lot of them only ran for a very few episodes before being cancelled.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 12:32 pm to RollTide1987
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Season one is difficult to get through because the show doesn't yet have any inkling of what it wants to be.
You can use this to describe almost every big or important sitcom
Which is why I always chuckle when someone comes on here and says some shite like “I’ve watched 3 episodes last night and I didn’t laugh once. Awful show. Can’t believe people like it.”
Posted on 12/4/20 at 12:55 pm to nes2010
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Rick Ludwin, head of late night and special events for NBC, however, diverted money from his budget by canceling a Bob Hope television special, and the next 4 episodes were filmed
Rick Ludwin also backed Conan after Jay Leno initially retired, then came back to NBC and started undermining Conan to get his job back.
Ludwin left NBC soon after Leno won out.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 1:16 pm to Ghost of Colby
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Rick Ludwin also backed Conan after Jay Leno initially retired, then came back to NBC and started undermining Conan to get his job back.
Okay...this needs to be debunked once and for all. Leno didn't leave the Tonight Show on his own volition. He was FORCED out by the suits. The thinking was when it was announced in 2004 that Leno would give the show to Conan in 2009 that Leno's ratings would be in decline as his brand of humor aged out. Problem was...he was still the #1 late night host in America when it came time for him to hand the reigns over. Not only that...Leno never wanted to give the show away to begin with. Because he was still popular in the ratings, NBC wanted to keep him with the network instead of giving him to a rival network. So they gave him his own variety show which ended up tanking.
Conan's ratings were terrible because his brand of humor wasn't suited for that time slot. By the end of his run on the Tonight Show, Conan was losing to Letterman re-runs. When Leno returned to the Tonight Show, after the initial backlash had worn off, the show went back to #1 in the late night ratings. So clearly it was the right move from a business perspective.
Bottom line...Conan FORCED Leno out the first time when he threatened to leave NBC if they didn't promise him the Tonight Show. That deal was done in 2004 and NBC figured they made the right move because Conan was the younger talent. Turns out everyone came out the loser. They should have never caved to Conan and called his bluff.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 1:17 pm to nes2010
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Larry David believed that he and Jerry Seinfeld had no more stories to tell, and advised Seinfeld to turn down the order, but Seinfeld agreed to the additional episodes.
And that's when they realized it was a show about nothing.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 1:28 pm to RollTide1987
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Okay...this needs to be debunked once and for all. Leno didn't leave the Tonight Show on his own volition. He was FORCED out by the suits. The thinking was when it was announced in 2004 that Leno would give the show to Conan in 2009 that Leno's ratings would be in decline as his brand of humor aged out. Problem was...he was still the #1 late night host in America when it came time for him to hand the reigns over. Not only that...Leno never wanted to give the show away to begin with. Because he was still popular in the ratings, NBC wanted to keep him with the network instead of giving him to a rival network. So they gave him his own variety show which ended up tanking.
Conan's ratings were terrible because his brand of humor wasn't suited for that time slot. By the end of his run on the Tonight Show, Conan was losing to Letterman re-runs. When Leno returned to the Tonight Show, after the initial backlash had worn off, the show went back to #1 in the late night ratings. So clearly it was the right move from a business perspective.
Not to derail this thread, but Leno also initially languished in ratings in his early years. When Letterman moved to CBS, he regularly beat Leno. Things didn’t change until the Hugh Grant interview in 1995.
BUT I do agree that there was a fundamental mismatch between the Tonight Show brand and Conan. I’m not sure it could have ever worked out.
But Leno had the ultimate leverage in 2004. If he didn’t want to surrender the Tonight Show, he shouldn’t have agreed to the transition.
[Also, absolute size of viewership is not the end-all metric that advertisers look at. Conan was still doing better amongst the 18-39 male crowd, which is an advertiser gold mine.]
This post was edited on 12/4/20 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 12/4/20 at 1:28 pm to wildtigercat93
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You can use this to describe almost every big or important sitcom
I think that's probably true, though the first episode of Cheers is one of the best of the entire series.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 1:30 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Tierney had a legit reputation for being both a tough guy and crazy.
This was around the time that Tarantino brought him in as Joe Cabot in Reservoir Dogs and Tarantino has been honest about him being difficult to deal with.
This was around the time that Tarantino brought him in as Joe Cabot in Reservoir Dogs and Tarantino has been honest about him being difficult to deal with.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 1:31 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
How early in the run was the episode where they spent the entire time in the garage looking for the car?
That pretty much sums up the whole “show about nothing” concept.
That pretty much sums up the whole “show about nothing” concept.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 1:34 pm to teke184
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How early in the run was the episode where they spent the entire time in the garage looking for the car?
That pretty much sums up the whole “show about nothing” concept.
I think the Chinese Restaurant did that and that aired first. The Parking Garage was in the 3rd season, which was actually the first full 22-23 episode season. The Chinese Restaurant was the season before that
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