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How accurate is "Gangs of New York" in lifestyle of people in 1860's NY?

Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:25 pm
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:25 pm
Obviously all the drama is drummed up since it's a movie, but how acurate do you suppose the language, interactions, lifestyles, and people are to how people actually were back then?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:33 pm to
Did they have plumbing by then or was their shite in the streets?

I read once that parasols were popular for women to shield them from the piss pots being emptied into streets from the upper floors.
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:36 pm to
This is 1863 I think they had plumbing
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:36 pm to
Not very accurate according to historians. Apparently the names of the gangs and the street names are the only accurate parts
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:40 pm to
The way they fought has got to be bullshite, no shields, no strategy, no working together?
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
1 room down from Erin Andrews
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:45 pm to
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The way they fought has got to be bullshite, no shields, no strategy, no working together?


They were Irish

They probably didn't know where they were half of the time because they were so drunk

Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:46 pm to
valid
Posted by Miganey
Austin, Tx
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:49 pm to
I totally believe it was a giant Barfight with weapons

If they were fighting each other over catholic vs protestant/ immigrant vs homegrown I wonder how they would feel today
Posted by Miganey
Austin, Tx
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:02 pm to
I remember seeing a sign in the background of one of the scenes that said "Lincoln wants whites slaves" and laughed
Posted by Backinthe615
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:13 pm to
Can't speak to every visual nuance, but the loopy electric guitar score in the opening fight sequence is straight cheese nuts
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:14 pm to
Read the book, aside from the drama of the fight scenes pretty accurate it seems.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 10:18 pm
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39421 posts
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:33 pm to
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This is 1863 I think they had plumbing


That doesn't mean anything.

Pre-20th century it depended on where you lived and how rich your were...so people wouldn't dump shite on you from their piss-potts.

As recently as the late 19th century sewerage systems in some parts of the rapidly industrializing United Kingdom were so inadequate that water-borne diseases such as cholera and typhoid remained a risk.


NY City was an apparent rat-hole up until the 1920's.

Going back 100, 150 years, American cities were disgusting -- and New York City was notorious as the filthiest and stinkiest. We were a laughingstock. The rumor goes that sailors could smell the city six miles out to sea. And all of this filth exacerbated a public health crisis -- people were dying of diseases like typhus, cholera, yellow fever, things that spread more easily in neighborhoods where the streets were dirtier. A cholera epidemic in the 1830’s killed 3,515 people, which was roughly 12 percent of the population at the time. That same percentage would mean about 100,000 people today. The mortality rate in 1860 New York was equal to that of medieval London.
Posted by DupontsCircle
Dupont Circle
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:56 pm to
My issue in that scene is how you tell everyone apart.
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 8:43 am to
New York is still dirty today
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 8:51 am to
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My issue in that scene is how you tell everyone apart.


Each gang had a color. Some wore tophats. It was also a relatively small group of men so they probably knew each other and the nuances of what made a "native" a native.
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 8:52 am
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 8:52 am to
What I would say is accurate is the portrayal of political cronyism in NYC at the time.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 8:57 am to
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This is 1863 I think they had plumbing



Affluent people had indoor plumbing, but like you said, this is 1863, so no, most didn't have plumbing
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 9:36 am to
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Obviously all the drama is drummed up since it's a movie,


Yes but the NYC Draft Riots really happened.
Posted by Amblin
Member since Sep 2011
3061 posts
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:29 am to
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That doesn't mean anything. Pre-20th century it depended on where you lived and how rich your were...so people wouldn't dump shite on you from their piss-potts. As recently as the late 19th century sewerage systems in some parts of the rapidly industrializing United Kingdom were so inadequate that water-borne diseases such as cholera and typhoid remained a risk. NY City was an apparent rat-hole up until the 1920's. Going back 100, 150 years, American cities were disgusting -- and New York City was notorious as the filthiest and stinkiest. We were a laughingstock. The rumor goes that sailors could smell the city six miles out to sea. And all of this filth exacerbated a public health crisis -- people were dying of diseases like typhus, cholera, yellow fever, things that spread more easily in neighborhoods where the streets were dirtier. A cholera epidemic in the 1830’s killed 3,515 people, which was roughly 12 percent of the population at the time. That same percentage would mean about 100,000 people today. The mortality rate in 1860 New York was equal to that of medieval London.


You that snobby know it all from the Good Will Hunting bar scene?
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
33204 posts
Posted on 6/15/17 at 11:06 am to
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Yes but the NYC Draft Riots really happened.


Well no shite

It's historical fiction so parts of it have to be based on real history
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