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re: House of the Dragon S1E2--Official Thread; “The Rogue Prince”
Posted on 8/31/22 at 8:55 am to Yeti_Chaser
Posted on 8/31/22 at 8:55 am to Yeti_Chaser
Daemon was essentially a little brother lashing out to get his older brother's attention. He had been banished from court and so he was provoking his brother hoping that he will come to him.
The King initially wanted to go himself. Otto instead volunteered. This is because Otto knows how the King is and that if they met face to face they may have reconciled. What happened when they arrived is exactly what Otto wanted. He delivered the King's ultimatum and Daemon refused to comply. He was banking on the fact that Daemon ultimately wants power and respect and killing the Hand of the King along with two kingsguard knights including the Lord Commander would make him detestable to the whole realm and would ruin any chance of being back in his brother's favor. So after a standoff he told his men to put up their swords and was planning on standing down to go back to the King and tell him that Daemon refused to comply.
The Princess ruined his plan when she was able to get Daemon to return the egg which is a sign of submission and a chance that him and his brother can still reconcile which Otto does not want.
The King initially wanted to go himself. Otto instead volunteered. This is because Otto knows how the King is and that if they met face to face they may have reconciled. What happened when they arrived is exactly what Otto wanted. He delivered the King's ultimatum and Daemon refused to comply. He was banking on the fact that Daemon ultimately wants power and respect and killing the Hand of the King along with two kingsguard knights including the Lord Commander would make him detestable to the whole realm and would ruin any chance of being back in his brother's favor. So after a standoff he told his men to put up their swords and was planning on standing down to go back to the King and tell him that Daemon refused to comply.
The Princess ruined his plan when she was able to get Daemon to return the egg which is a sign of submission and a chance that him and his brother can still reconcile which Otto does not want.
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Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:04 am to DownSouthCrawfish
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Are you going to shitpost every episode?
Probably. Best to just ignore it at this point. Rather this thread not devolve to what the LOTR thread has devolved into. It’s like animals throwing feces at each other. We’ve got some good discussion going at this point.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 9:05 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:11 am to QC Reb
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The Princess ruined his plan when she was able to get Daemon to return the egg which is a sign of submission and a chance that him and his brother can still reconcile which Otto does not want.
Definitely. Daemon is a direct threat to his position with the King. As said earlier, he’s made an open call to be Viserys Hand and even if that doesn’t happen they still have a relationship.
Otto is sneakily trying to entrench though:
- The more obvious now that it’s been announced is marrying his daughter to the King. Chances are he’s making a play that if the King dies (and folks are reluctant for the Queen to rule) that he can be regent to a male heir.
- He tried to stack the Kingsguard in his favor until Rhaenyra went against his suggestions. I think he also would have been ok with something happening to her on their watch. Especially if Alicent is producing male heirs.
- He tried to openly provoke Daemon to get him into full opposition to the King.
- With his kid’s betrothal he’s also moving Corlys and his family further away from the crown as well. They still have a claim even if it currently isn’t a strong one because of the council picking Viserys.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:34 am to StrongOffer
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The actresses that play Rhaenyra and Alicent are 22 and 25 respectively in real life and have both been great. I have a feeling we're all gonna look back and wish they didn't replace the actresses mid show.
This is my concern.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:38 am to Putty
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the daughter of a scheming SOB.
If/when Otto meets the sword, I'm not even gonna be mad.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:49 am to BluegrassBelle
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I’m curious as to how they portray that coming conflict. It’ll add some more layers to things for sure.
In case anyone else needed to brush up on ASOIAF geography like I did:
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:01 am to SoDakHawk
If I'm remembering correctly she isn't from the primary Hightower line, correct?
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:24 am to SEC. 593
For anyone watching who hasn't read the books and wants more background on what's happening (even during the title sequence) with no spoilers*, I HIGHLY recommend the Episode Breakdowns by Riley McAtee of The Ringer:
1. Episode 1
2. Episode 2
*There's a mini spoiler at the very end of the Episode 2 Breakdown, so just stop scrolling when you see, "Next Time on..." near the bottom of the page. The spoiler is in a little blurb under the embedded YouTube video.
1. Episode 1
2. Episode 2
*There's a mini spoiler at the very end of the Episode 2 Breakdown, so just stop scrolling when you see, "Next Time on..." near the bottom of the page. The spoiler is in a little blurb under the embedded YouTube video.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 10:41 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:37 am to SEC. 593
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If I'm remembering correctly she isn't from the primary Hightower line, correct?
At this point the Hightower line is pretty entrenched in ASOIAF history, as previous Hightowers were Kings and high Lords. But you had some of the direct line, like Ceryse Hightower, who did not produce children.
At the point of GOT they're also entwined with the Tyrells and Margaery is a descendant.
This provides a spoiler-free snippet of their involvement during Targaryen reign (up to the point we're at in the show):
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During Aegon's Conquest of the Seven Kingdoms, Lord Manfred Hightower heeded the High Septon and did not join his liege lord, King Mern IX Gardener, on the march to the Field of Fire. Soon, Mern was dead and Highgarden surrendered, with the Tyrells replacing the Gardeners. When Aegon the Conqueror arrived at Oldtown on dragonback, Manfred opened his gates. Aegon spared the city, and the High Septon anointed him and acknowledged House Targaryen's right to rule all Seven Kingdoms.[11][12]
After the High Septon objected against the suggested match between Prince Maegor Targaryen and Princess Rhaena Targaryen, he suggested instead his own niece as Maegor's bride: Ceryse Hightower, the daughter of Lord Manfred Hightower.[13] Ceryse and Maegor were wed in 25 AC.[14] Maegor took a second bride in 39 AC, claiming that Ceryse was infertile. Lord Manfred objected to Maegor's second wedding. After Maegor had left Westeros in exile, and Septon Murmison had failed to make Ceryse fertile, Ceryse returned to the Hightower.[14][13]
In 41 AC, Lord Martyn Hightower succeeded his father Manfred. In 43 AC, Martyn's brother Ser Morgan was the sole Warrior's Son pardonned by Maegor, following the mysterious death of the High Septon and the yielding of Oldtown by Martyn to the Targaryens. That same year, Maegor and Ceryse were reunited, and Ceryse eventually returned to King's Landing with her husband, where she remained until her death in 45 AC.[14][13]
In 47 AC, Princess Rhaella Targaryen, the younger daughter of the deceased Prince Aegon Targaryen and Queen Rhaena Targaryen, was sent to Oldtown by King Maegor I Targaryen to be raised as a septa. When her mother Rhaena fled from Maegor in the night the next year, Maegor sent a rider to Oldtown commanding Lord Hightower to behead Rhaella as punishment for her mother's betrayal. Lord Hightower refused, however, and imprisoned the messenger instead. He then declared his support for Prince Jaehaerys Targaryen.[14][13]
Eustace Hightower's ship was the only one of the three in Alys Westhill's expedition of 56 AC across the Sunset Sea to return.[15]
In 89 AC, the ruling Lord Hightower staged a tourney at Oldtown in honor of King Jaehaerys I Targaryen, who was visiting the city during one of his royal progresses.[16]
Jaehaerys was Viserys grandfather (the next chunk in the Wiki is too spoilery for the show).
House Hightower Wiki ASOIAF (MAJOR SPOILERS at link)
This is some background from Otto's wiki as well (again, will post only before the show and up to what's been officially broadcasted to avoid spoilers). It further expands on his riff with Daemon that we didn't see before the timeframe in the show:
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Ser Otto first served as Hand of the King after the death of Prince Baelon Targaryen, the Hand and son of King Jaehaerys I Targaryen. Jaehaerys was devastated by the deaths of Baelon and his beloved wife, Queen Alysanne Targaryen, becoming grief-stricken, and with his health failing he became bedridden. Otto effectively ruled the Seven Kingdoms as Hand in the final two years of Jaehaerys's reign, while his daughter, Alicent Hightower, nursed the ailing king.[1]
Otto continued as Hand to Jaehaerys's grandson and successor on the throne, Viserys I Targaryen. He became a bitter rival of the king's brother, Prince Daemon Targaryen, who had been named master of coin. Otto convinced the king to remove him from office and did so again when Viserys named Daemon master of laws. He came to regret this, however, when Daemon was named commander of the City Watch, as this put two thousand men under Daemon's command and the prince thrived in this new office. Otto feared Daemon would become a second Maegor the Cruel if he ever ascended to the Iron Throne, sharing his fears with his brother, the Lord of the Hightower. Thus, by this time, Otto wished for Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen to succeed her father.[1]
Otto Hightower Wiki ASOIAF (MAJOR SPOILERS at link)
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 10:46 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 3:06 pm to SEC. 593
Her father is a second son something that Daemon points out to the King. The asoiaf wiki doesn't seem to mention who his parents are so I am not sure if he is a son of the Lord Hightower or if he is a scion of another branch.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 3:08 pm to QC Reb
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The asoiaf wiki doesn't seem to mention who his parents are so I am not sure if he is a son of the Lord Hightower or if he is a scion of another branch.
In the excerpt above your post, it mentions Otto Hightower's brother is the Lord of Hightower. So, he is the second son of the main line.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 3:09 pm to BluegrassBelle
What is also impressive is how he handled the question of marrying Laena Velaryon. When the King asked his opinion it would be too obvious if he flat out dismissed it since the marriage does have plenty of merits. Instead he brought up how much he missed his own wife something the King can surely relate to, and told him how much he would hate it if he was compelled to wed someone out of duty. He played into the King's heart knowing that he had enjoyed spending time with Alicient in a way that he never could with Laena. He's a slimeball but I have to respect his maneuvering.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 3:13 pm to QC Reb
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What is also impressive is how he handled the question of marrying Laena Velaryon. When the King asked his opinion it would be too obvious if he flat out dismissed it since the marriage does have plenty of merits. Instead he brought up how much he missed his own wife something the King can surely relate to, and told him how much he would hate it if he was compelled to wed someone out of duty. He played into the King's heart knowing that he had enjoyed spending time with Alicient in a way that he never could with Laena. He's a slimeball but I have to respect his maneuvering.
You have to figure in order to be Hand of the King you have to have some cunning to you if you're going to be successful.
The thin line is thinking you're smarter than you actually are and getting in (often) big trouble for that.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 3:19 pm to LuckySo-n-So
frick this show, world and lore
Posted on 8/31/22 at 3:50 pm to SEClint
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frick this show, world and lore
Do you feel better now?
Posted on 8/31/22 at 4:08 pm to SEClint
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frick this show, world and lore
That'll show em
Posted on 8/31/22 at 4:13 pm to The Godfather
No
And frick Steve Toussaint for saying “They are happy with a dragon flying, They're happy with white hair and violet-colored eyes, but a rich Black guy? That's beyond the pale.”
As if that's the issue. We all know the story ends up in the shitter, its ridiculous that people still would want to support this bullshite saga.
And frick Steve Toussaint for saying “They are happy with a dragon flying, They're happy with white hair and violet-colored eyes, but a rich Black guy? That's beyond the pale.”
As if that's the issue. We all know the story ends up in the shitter, its ridiculous that people still would want to support this bullshite saga.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 8/31/22 at 4:18 pm to SEClint
Do you need a sanitary napkin, now?
Posted on 8/31/22 at 4:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
Nah, i can use your face as a cum-rag
And you should save those for yourself when you invest some time and they frick it up again.
Have fun with the cash grab
And you should save those for yourself when you invest some time and they frick it up again.
Have fun with the cash grab
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 8/31/22 at 4:28 pm to SEClint
Cool, don't watch if you hate it. Its that simple
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