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re: House of the Dragon S1E1--Official Thread; "The Reign of House Targaryen Begins"
Posted on 8/25/22 at 7:23 pm to The Ramp
Posted on 8/25/22 at 7:23 pm to The Ramp
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I see they made Daemon evil
They've left room for him to have a good side. He will be multilayered like most characters in this world
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 7:40 pm to hg
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Something about the guy on the far right that just makes me laugh. Dude looks weird af.
He looks like a young version of Vigo the Carpathian from Ghostbusters
Posted on 8/25/22 at 9:01 pm to adavis
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Vigo the Carpathian from Ghostbusters
That's it!! I knew it
Posted on 8/26/22 at 8:57 am to adavis
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He looks like a young version of Vigo the Carpathian from Ghostbusters
Vigo came from the East as well
This post was edited on 8/26/22 at 8:58 am
Posted on 8/26/22 at 9:20 am to Saskwatch
Posted on 8/26/22 at 9:24 am to Saskwatch
Back to the king being a POS for choosing his son over his wife and killing her via C-section for the baby. Go back earlier in the episode where the queen says that child bearing is their battlefield. The king actually made the right choice and is in line with this thought process. The queen died on the battlefield trying to produce an heir that would stop a war of succession where thousands and thousands will die. In effect, she sacrificed herself on the battlefield to save lives.
Or in another context, the king had to make the tough call to send troops up that hill knowing he was sending some to their death but if he doesn't you lose the war and many more will die. He made the same call with his wife in an attempt to produce an heir knowing he was sacrificing her for the good of the realm. It's anything but selfish and he's not a POS for making the call.
Or in another context, the king had to make the tough call to send troops up that hill knowing he was sending some to their death but if he doesn't you lose the war and many more will die. He made the same call with his wife in an attempt to produce an heir knowing he was sacrificing her for the good of the realm. It's anything but selfish and he's not a POS for making the call.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 9:35 am to SoDakHawk
quote:yeah her screaming NOOOOOOO was probably an editing error
In effect, she sacrificed herself on the battlefield to save lives.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 9:57 am to cgrand
It's why I wrote the second half of the post about the king sacrificing her on the battlefield of child birth.
And just because she screamed NO doesn't mean she didn't sacrifice.
And just because she screamed NO doesn't mean she didn't sacrifice.
This post was edited on 8/26/22 at 9:58 am
Posted on 8/26/22 at 10:07 am to SoDakHawk
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The king actually made the right choice and is in line with this thought process. The queen died on the battlefield trying to produce an heir that would stop a war of succession where thousands and thousands will die.
His choice to try saving the baby isn’t the issue.
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In effect, she sacrificed herself on the battlefield to save lives.
She was never given the chance to make that sacrifice, which is kind of the point. She died being held down, cut open, and confused feeling like her husband betrayed her some way. It came off like he didn’t give a shite about his wife.
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He made the same call with his wife in an attempt to produce an heir knowing he was sacrificing her for the good of the realm
But it being his wife and all, he could have told her that instead of doing it the way he did it.
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It's anything but selfish and he's not a POS for making the call.
He’s a POS for not telling his wife what was happening and letting her die not knowing what was happening. Everything you just said, none of it addressed the fricked up part of what he did.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 10:10 am to SoDakHawk
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And just because she screamed NO doesn't mean she didn't sacrifice.
She didn’t even know what the frick was going on. He never gave her the chance to sacrifice herself to save the child. Her reactions to everything that was happening show how badly he fricked that up.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 10:33 am to landrywasbeast30
Different ways to interpret scenes, that's all.
Could he have told her what was going on and explain? Sure. Not sure he needed to as I think she knew and that's why she screamed NO. A woman of that time would have known. She very well knew the risks hence the battlefield reference she made earlier. He did hold her hands and told her he loved her and was with her at the end. If he was truly callous and indifferent he would have walked away.
I'm just saying the scene is more complex when you start viewing it in a bigger picture of the need to produce a male heir in order to avoid a war where many thousands die.
Review the scene and think of it in a different context and you may come out with a different POV.
Could he have told her what was going on and explain? Sure. Not sure he needed to as I think she knew and that's why she screamed NO. A woman of that time would have known. She very well knew the risks hence the battlefield reference she made earlier. He did hold her hands and told her he loved her and was with her at the end. If he was truly callous and indifferent he would have walked away.
I'm just saying the scene is more complex when you start viewing it in a bigger picture of the need to produce a male heir in order to avoid a war where many thousands die.
Review the scene and think of it in a different context and you may come out with a different POV.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 10:39 am to landrywasbeast30
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She was never given the chance to make that sacrifice, which is kind of the point. She died being held down, cut open, and confused feeling like her husband betrayed her some way.
There wasn't enough time to sit down and discuss it with her. An impossible decision had to be made and he made the correct one. She was loaded up on the most milk of the poppy you could possibly give her, of course she was confused, she wasn't in her right mind to make a decision anyway.
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It came off like he didn’t give a shite about his wife.
What are you talking about? He was by her side telling her he loved her, talking comfortingly the whole time and basically crying the whole time.
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He’s a POS for not telling his wife what was happening and letting her die not knowing what was happening. Everything you just said, none of it addressed the fricked up part of what he did.
A POS would have told the maester to do it and then left. Something like Robert Baratheon who couldn't even be in the room or off banging someone else while his wife is giving birth. A weakness of his as a king is he is a bit soft, but he still made a tough decision and wasn't a coward by leaving but instead stayed by his wifes side, which wasn't easy. It's a ridiculous take to think he as at fault in some way here.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 10:54 am to iwyLSUiwy
That scene also contained cut ins of the battles at the arena. There was a battle being fought in that room just as there were battles being fought in the arena. In the end the Realm lost that battle and now there will be more battles and bloodshed to come.
Also, there was a comment in the gallery about how it's been so long since there was a real war, there has been peace for so long, etc. I'm paraphrasing here, point is when you combine these scenes together and really think about what is going on it's just brilliant.
Upon reflection and discussing it I'm having a deeper appreciation for what the director was doing there. It's much deeper than "Queen died giving birth, baby died, King is a jerk that doesn't care".
Also, there was a comment in the gallery about how it's been so long since there was a real war, there has been peace for so long, etc. I'm paraphrasing here, point is when you combine these scenes together and really think about what is going on it's just brilliant.
Upon reflection and discussing it I'm having a deeper appreciation for what the director was doing there. It's much deeper than "Queen died giving birth, baby died, King is a jerk that doesn't care".
Posted on 8/26/22 at 10:55 am to SoDakHawk
Posted on 8/26/22 at 11:56 am to iwyLSUiwy
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SoDakHawk
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iwyLSUiwy
I’m not saying the decision to save the baby was wrong. It was either try saving baby or let both just die.
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There wasn't enough time to sit down and discuss it with her.
This is bullshite. It literally made zero sense for him not to take 5 seconds to say, “you won’t make it but we can save the baby”. The point of the scene, the reason the show didn’t have him say that, was to show all he cared about was his heir.
This other person talking about the battlefield, and her sacrifice, just trying to show how smart you are. Everyone gets that part. You aren’t some brilliant mind making the connection. But, they left out the king telling his wife what was happening for a reason.
You keep saying it’s a battlefield and she sacrificed herself for the greater good. Again, the point is, he didn’t allow her the opportunity to decide to make that sacrifice. She basically died thinking her husband had her murdered to save his heir.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:25 pm to landrywasbeast30
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I’m not saying the decision to save the baby was wrong. It was either try saving baby or let both just die.
I know
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This is bullshite. It literally made zero sense for him not to take 5 seconds to say, “you won’t make it but we can save the baby”. The point of the scene, the reason the show didn’t have him say that, was to show all he cared about was his heir.
So you're nit picking 5 seconds worth and just completely ignoring that he was there by her side emotional and supportive the entire time? Or the fact that he yelled at his counsel and stormed off because they wanted to talk about an heir after his wife and child just died. Or that at the funeral he was so emotional that he couldn't even tell the dragon dracarys? You're pretty much the only person that thinks this and just because he didn't take 5 seconds to say what you wanted him to say to his half delirious wife doesn't neglect his actions throughout the entire sequence of events.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 5:38 pm to landrywasbeast30
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She didn’t even know what the frick was going on. He never gave her the chance to sacrifice herself to save the child. Her reactions to everything that was happening show how badly he fricked that up.
She literally told her daughter "the birthing bed is our battlefield". She knew there was a good chance of dying when giving birth. Happened to many in the books. Just because she didn't want to die doesn't mean she didn't understand it was a high probability for it to happen
*She was going to die whether they did the c section or not. At least the C section gave the baby a chance. There wasn't a decision to be made. At that point it had to happen regardless if the Queen wanted it to or not
This post was edited on 8/26/22 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:58 am to Saskwatch
Game day.
Hope the episode is good, but still questionable enough to keep the internet types feuding over it.
Hope the episode is good, but still questionable enough to keep the internet types feuding over it.
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