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re: Historical Accuracy of Movies Set In the Classical Period
Posted on 3/19/19 at 7:57 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 3/19/19 at 7:57 am to CocomoLSU
Well, they did have some very interesting things to point out about the movie from a sociological standpoint. How did society end up seeing the Spartans in this light and why. It isn’t just the comic book. They talked about the myth and propaganda of the Spartans through the ages and why we see the SpartNs the way we do now.
Like one thing to consider. The Spartans didn’t teach martial arts or fencing where every other city state in Greece did. Because they didn’t believe combat should ever get to an individual one on one point.
Like one thing to consider. The Spartans didn’t teach martial arts or fencing where every other city state in Greece did. Because they didn’t believe combat should ever get to an individual one on one point.
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 8:51 am to athenslife101
Technically most movies about Ancient Greece and Rome are inaccurate as there was a lot of bisexuality practiced but is omitted in the films.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:12 am to stateofplay
I have a feeling that gay sex was not nearly so prevalent as people like to think.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:15 am to athenslife101
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Like one thing to consider. The Spartans didn’t teach martial arts or fencing where every other city state in Greece did. Because they didn’t believe combat should ever get to an individual one on one point
Never heard this. Kind of surprising. Pretty sure they learned wrestling.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 10:05 am to biglego
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Never heard this. Kind of surprising. Pretty sure they learned wrestling
That’s a part of the propaganda myth. There are a lot of inconsistencies out there between archeological evidence and sources. Art is another thing.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 10:07 am to biglego
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have a feeling that gay sex was not nearly so prevalent as people like to think.
Buggery was strongly strongly frowned upon and there are only a few openly gay people we know about. but they had some position I’m not going to look up where they rubbed up on each other to get off. That was extremely common between same sex partners
Posted on 3/19/19 at 10:58 am to athenslife101
Has there ever been anything done in English on later antiquity? Say from Aurelian onward (so Diocletian, Constantine, Julian, Valentinian, Adrianople, Theodosius, etc)?
There just seems like a huge gap in the general historical conscious of the Dominate, and there are some amazing stories to tell.
There just seems like a huge gap in the general historical conscious of the Dominate, and there are some amazing stories to tell.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:56 am to athenslife101
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There are a lot of inconsistencies out there between archeological evidence and sources
This is the fundamental drawback but also the fun of studying history. It’s difficult to look back that far but fun to try. The Spartans are revered as warriors and thought of as stoic, humorless, and rigid which is the image they probably intentionally put out. Yet they were also a musical people who loved to dance. You just never know what really went on back then.
It’s why I don’t get worked up about movies being wrong. There are some things and dates we definitely do know but 90% of history, especially pre-printing press, is educated guesswork.
This post was edited on 3/19/19 at 11:58 am
Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:57 am to biglego
Well they wrote about homosexuality a lot, pedastery was a part of their society and had numerous known figures who are confirmed to have male lovers so I think it was definitely more widespread than Hollywood lets on.
I have no problem with Hollywood not being too historically accurate.
I have no problem with Hollywood not being too historically accurate.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 5:16 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Posted on 3/19/19 at 5:27 pm to CocomoLSU
I forgot about the graphic novel. That makes a difference since its not really putting the story forth as true.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 6:01 pm to stateofplay
Homosexuality and pederasty existed then as it does now. But I think some people get confused by Greek words for love and friendship, and tend to exaggerate.
ETA: back to the subject, 300 was hyped as a great adaptation of a Frank Miller graphic novel. That's why I watched it. I'd be shocked if many people watched it expecting a pure history lesson.
Gladiator maybe confused things a little by using the name of a well known real emperor, but it was an entertaining work of fiction. And I think it inspired more people to take an interest in the real history, which is not a bad thing.
ETA: back to the subject, 300 was hyped as a great adaptation of a Frank Miller graphic novel. That's why I watched it. I'd be shocked if many people watched it expecting a pure history lesson.
Gladiator maybe confused things a little by using the name of a well known real emperor, but it was an entertaining work of fiction. And I think it inspired more people to take an interest in the real history, which is not a bad thing.
This post was edited on 3/19/19 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 3/19/19 at 6:25 pm to athenslife101
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Alexander: This they said was incredibly accurate from a cinemographic standpoint. The costumes, the architecture, the weapons are all extremely well done. They just thought the narrative does not do its subject matter justice. Why is reading a historical account from 2500 years ago more moving than watching it on screen. The movie had a lot of historical characters who mean nothing
It’s amazing that someone managed to make a big budget movie about Alexander and make it boring. I’m a history nut and haven’t seen this movie since it was in theater.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 7:04 pm to Kafka
Well 300 is based on the graphic novel of the real battle by Frank Miller. Plus you find out at the end, that the story is being told by the last survivor so of course he’ll heavily dramatize it in order to rile up the Greek armies.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 7:33 am to athenslife101
Gladiator was the best movie of the three.
Marcus Aurelis did die right after winning the Germanic wars, in Austria. His hated son Commudus was already Co emperor for three years, and the only General Maximus was from Serbia.
It was a good story though.
Marcus Aurelis did die right after winning the Germanic wars, in Austria. His hated son Commudus was already Co emperor for three years, and the only General Maximus was from Serbia.
It was a good story though.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:16 pm to athenslife101
Age of Antiquity better suites your title.
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:53 am to KosmoCramer
I like Gladiator, but I don't watch it at all for its accuracy or expect it to be accurate. The clothing being way off is surprising and I always thought the thumbs up/down part was off but for the casual viewer the way they did it was better.
If 300 was accurate then there would have been a good bit of gay sex scenes. That would have been good for you bunch of queers but I'll pass on that.
If 300 was accurate then there would have been a good bit of gay sex scenes. That would have been good for you bunch of queers but I'll pass on that.
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