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re: HBO Max announces upcoming Harry Potter series

Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:36 pm to
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:36 pm to
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Are they really going to have a white Draco calling a black Hermione "filthy mudblood" on this show?


I hadn't thought about that. I definitely see that being an issue.

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My guess is they do race swap Hermione but don't use the term mudblood and play down that aspect of the story.


This is where I would get upset about the casting situation. The "mudblood" theme was big in Chamber of Secrets. Can't just cut that out.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65842 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:47 pm to
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it really bothers you that much that a fictional girl in a wizarding world would be black?


No. What bothers me is race swapping of established characters. It's a racist practice.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9128 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:53 pm to
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This is where I would get upset about the casting situation. The "mudblood" theme was big in Chamber of Secrets. Can't just cut that out.


Correct. And that's a problem.

If you're being tempted to literally change the story in order to accommodate an arbitrarily race-swapped main character, that should be a warning sign that it's a dumb idea.

What's sad is that I always thought a white Hermione was a great thing. I always thought the purpose of her character was to get the U.K.'s children (mostly white kids) to sympathize with her and understand how it must feel to be demeaned, mocked, and persecuted because of something you have no control over. Hermione was meant to "flip the script" and illustrate why it's evil to treat people as second-class citizens because of who they are or what their hereditary status is.

Oh well. At least black kids will have a character who "looks like them"
This post was edited on 4/13/23 at 12:55 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65842 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:54 pm to
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It bothers him than any character is black. You should have seen his melt when they had the old black Captain America in that Disney+ show


Nonsense. The biggest problem with that show, in this regard, is that they killed off Battlestar, a black hero from the comics, for no reason whatsoever. This makes the racist race swapping of other characters even worse.

There are problems with the black super soldier character that don't make a whole lot of sense story-wise, but those don't really have anything to do with his race.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65842 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:56 pm to
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Or they could just not use the term mudblood if people think it's racist.


This would be a fundamental change of the story, to the point of making it unrecognizable as Harry Potter.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65842 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:58 pm to
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when she declared Dumbledore was gay for no other reason than to placate the lunatic fringe.


They need look no further than the failure of the Fantastic Beasts movies to determine the public's feelings about that.
This post was edited on 4/13/23 at 12:59 pm
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
34164 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:06 pm to
The failure of the Fantastic Beasts movies has very little to do with Dumbledore being gay

The first Fantastic Beasts is a good movie, btw
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65842 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:17 pm to
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The failure of the Fantastic Beasts movies has very little to do with Dumbledore being gay



Yes, it's only a coincidence that they failed immediately after the movie where they made it clear they were heading in that direction.

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The first Fantastic Beasts is a good movie, btw



I think they were all decent movies. Just watched the 3rd one a couple months ago.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
52282 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:22 pm to
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Correct. And that's a problem.

If you're being tempted to literally change the story in order to accommodate an arbitrarily race-swapped main character, that should be a warning sign that it's a dumb idea.

What's sad is that I always thought a white Hermione was a great thing. I always thought the purpose of her character was to get the U.K.'s children (mostly white kids) to sympathize with her and understand how it must feel to be demeaned, mocked, and persecuted because of something you have no control over. Hermione was meant to "flip the script" and illustrate why it's evil to treat people as second-class citizens because of who they are or what their hereditary status is.

Oh well. At least black kids will have a character who "looks like them"


We're also assuming Hogwarts as it stands has no half wizard half muggle black students. In which case it doesn't even matter if Hermione is white, black, or asian.

oh wait, Dean Thomas is a mudblood who happens to be black.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65842 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:26 pm to
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We're also assuming Hogwarts as it stands has no half wizard half muggle black students.


Given the era of the books and the location of the school, this would make sense.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
34164 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:27 pm to
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it's only a coincidence that they failed immediately after the movie where they made it clear they were heading in that direction.



The movies after the first one failed because they couldnt make up their minds whether to make the movies about Newt and his adventures or make it about Grindelwald and Dumbledore and they tried to make it about both and it didn't work.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
52282 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:31 pm to
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Given the era of the books and the location of the school, this would make sense.
Except i just proved this as false.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65842 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:33 pm to
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The movies after the first one failed because they couldnt make up their minds whether to make the movies about Newt and his adventures or make it about Grindelwald and Dumbledore and they tried to make it about both and it didn't work.


The second movie was a success.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65842 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:34 pm to
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Except i just proved this as false.


No you didn't. You highlighted something that doesn't make sense.
Posted by Jay Are
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
6127 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:35 pm to
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Given the era of the books and the location of the school, this would make sense.


The UK doesn't have black people, and didn't in the late 90s?
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9128 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:41 pm to
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We're also assuming Hogwarts as it stands has no half wizard half muggle black students. In which case it doesn't even matter if Hermione is white, black, or asian.


I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this. Hermione was a main character throughout the entire saga. Clearly, her character was intended to portray some major themes as told through her character specifically. We barely even knew who Dean Thomas was as a person.

And as someone who read the books before seeing the movies, I had honestly had no idea that Dean Thomas was black. If it was mentioned in the books, I didn't recall. I assumed he was made black in the movies because he was a secondary character who didn't matter as much and they were just like "whatever."
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65842 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:42 pm to
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The UK doesn't have black people, and didn't in the late 90s?


According to Wikipedia, 1.63% of the British population was black in the 90s, rising to about 2% by 2001. Only about 3% now.

So...no?
This post was edited on 4/13/23 at 1:43 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65842 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:49 pm to
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I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this. Hermione was a main character throughout the entire saga. Clearly, her character was intended to portray some major themes as told through her character specifically. We barely even knew who Dean Thomas was as a person.


This is another Rowling Retcon. LINK

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Anybody who has read both the American and British versions of 'Philosopher's Stone' will notice that Dean Thomas's appearance is not mentioned in the British book, whereas in the American one there is a line describing him (in the chapter 'The Sorting Hat').

This was an editorial cut in the British version; my editor thought that chapter was too long and pruned everything that he thought was surplus to requirements. When it came to the casting on the film version of 'Philosopher's Stone', however, I told the director, Chris, that Dean was a black Londoner. In fact, I think Chris was slightly taken aback by the amount of information I had on this peripheral character. I had a lot of background on Dean, though I had never found the right place to use it. His story was included in an early draft of 'Chamber of Secrets' but then cut by me, because it felt like an unnecessary digression. Now I don't think his history will ever make it into the books.
This post was edited on 4/13/23 at 1:50 pm
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
52282 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:52 pm to
can't wait for the melts.

Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65842 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:54 pm to
The melts will come when the show is canceled. The rest of us just won't watch.
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