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Grisham's "The Firm"
Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:17 am
Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:17 am
I saw this last night for the first time. I read his recent interview about writing a sequel book/movie 30 years later and realized I've never seen the first.
The memphis angle was great, I enjoy visiting and it put a new view on Memphis for me. But the movie overall was underwhelming. Cruise isn't that great. And they take an hour to set up the big con and really ask you to bend some beliefs in reality. Then there's a brief foot chase and a reasonably smart ending.
Overall it was hard to believe the mafia thing - they've been kaput ever since the early 1980's. And the mafia (especially the Chicago outfit) would never fund a high-dollar 40-man firm, especially not in Memphis.
Chicago mob was in bed with Vegas and Kansas City, and once the feds broke Vegas, it's a zero.
Where Grisham could have used the NOLA mob under Marcello or the Dixie Mafia and been a lot more convincing.
The memphis angle was great, I enjoy visiting and it put a new view on Memphis for me. But the movie overall was underwhelming. Cruise isn't that great. And they take an hour to set up the big con and really ask you to bend some beliefs in reality. Then there's a brief foot chase and a reasonably smart ending.
Overall it was hard to believe the mafia thing - they've been kaput ever since the early 1980's. And the mafia (especially the Chicago outfit) would never fund a high-dollar 40-man firm, especially not in Memphis.
Chicago mob was in bed with Vegas and Kansas City, and once the feds broke Vegas, it's a zero.
Where Grisham could have used the NOLA mob under Marcello or the Dixie Mafia and been a lot more convincing.
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:23 am to tadman
The "Memphis thing" was the whole point of the book and movie. The Feds would never look for the mobs lawyers and fixers in Memphis. The book ending was may believable. Since Grisham hated being a lawyer, the lawyers in both "The Firm" and "Time to kill" quit being lawyers. In the book,it's Mitch and his wife that sail off away from the mob.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:30 am to tadman
The book was solid. The movie was a decent popcorn flick.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:32 am to VOR
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The book was solid. The movie was a decent popcorn flick.
Maybe I should read the book. And that is a great way of describing the movie. I didn't hate it, had a fun Sunday night, but I feel like they missed a lot.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:33 am to tadman
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And the mafia (especially the Chicago outfit) would never fund a high-dollar 40-man firm, especially not in Memphis.
I'd be looking for boring middle American law firms. Amarillo, Wichita, Memphis, Omaha, etc.
This post was edited on 12/18/23 at 9:34 am
Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:55 am to tadman
It’s up there with the rural juror for my favorite Kevin Grisham novel
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:01 pm to tadman
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the mafia thing - they've been kaput ever since the early 1980's
The Mafia Commission Trial lasted until November of 1986. John Gotti was convicted in 1992.
While it was no longer the force it once was in the 1980s, it certainly wasn’t “kaput since the early 1980s”.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:05 pm to tadman
I just watched this movie last week for the first time.
Been watching all the 90’s drama on Netflix
Been watching all the 90’s drama on Netflix
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:56 pm to VOR
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The book was solid. The movie was a decent popcorn flick.
Yeah, but I can't hear the piano music in the book. For that, the book wins.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:36 pm to LSUDonMCO
Grisham wrote a nice ending. Too bad the movie blew it off. Nice chase on the coast. They get away to the Caribbean with $10 million or so of mob money. Eventually his work gets the firm busted.
Instead we get Ray getting on a seaplane, not much of a chase, and Cruise meets with the mobsters to say he is their lawyer and doesn't talk.
Scriptwriting just plain sucked.
Instead we get Ray getting on a seaplane, not much of a chase, and Cruise meets with the mobsters to say he is their lawyer and doesn't talk.
Scriptwriting just plain sucked.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 8:20 pm to Mo Jeaux
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The Mafia Commission Trial lasted until November of 1986. John Gotti was convicted in 1992.
While it was no longer the force it once was in the 1980s, it certainly wasn’t “kaput since the early 1980s”.
Keep in mind this is supposedly Chicago mob, which was toast after Operations Gaylord and Gambat.
And if you want a really good read on operation gambat, check out "when corruption was king". Written by the attorney that did a lot of the corruption and then snitched. LINK
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:00 pm to tadman
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Maybe I should read the book.
It’s excellent.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 1:31 am to elprez00
We watched the again and then watched the series that was set 10 years later. We enjoyed the 22 episodes only to learn we were left with a cliff hanger and no season 2.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 9:07 am to tadman
Wilfred Brimley and Gene Hackman made such good bad guys.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 1:38 pm to tadman
Going off of vague memory from when the book came out but I seem to recall a HUGE part of the book didn't make it into the movie. Like 1/3 of the plot.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:27 pm to TigerMyth36
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but I seem to recall a HUGE part of the book didn't make it into the movie. Like 1/3 of the plot.
The last third of the book was changed.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 3:52 pm to tadman
Scott Turow > John Grisham
But they never put the weight of Hollywood behind his books beyond Presumed Innocent like they did Grisham.
But they never put the weight of Hollywood behind his books beyond Presumed Innocent like they did Grisham.
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