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re: GoT Season 7- Three Eyed Raven Thread (SPOILERS - ALL THE LEAKS)
Posted on 8/5/17 at 1:16 pm to Sun God
Posted on 8/5/17 at 1:16 pm to Sun God
Very nice screenshot indeed.
My significant other made a great observation:
Someone made a mention about Nukes earlier in this thread and it hit home with her. Dany has nukes and she can win the war with ease. That has been apparent the entire series since those things hatched from those eggs and showed her such love. It made her think of today. Just because you have nukes do you use them to win a war? If you must use them should you? She was pressed into a hole and she used them on the same countrymen she will rule. It is a hard predicament to ever be put in. One I would never wish to have to make. That was the warning both Tyrion and Jon Snow gave to her about their power. Yes, you can use them and destroy and maim and win, but at what cost? Tyrion was right, she still had the massive advantage and could easily win, but she reacted in revenge and scorched the earth. A dangerous path that both Tyrion and Jon wish to not see.
So, I hope, expect to see Dany come to realization that she needs to tamper back her desire to use her babies until the real battle begins with the dead. I don't expect the dragons to be unleashed again until the final battles for Westeros and against the Dead White Walkers. If she marches them straight to the red keep they will burn the country to the ground.
My significant other made a great observation:
Someone made a mention about Nukes earlier in this thread and it hit home with her. Dany has nukes and she can win the war with ease. That has been apparent the entire series since those things hatched from those eggs and showed her such love. It made her think of today. Just because you have nukes do you use them to win a war? If you must use them should you? She was pressed into a hole and she used them on the same countrymen she will rule. It is a hard predicament to ever be put in. One I would never wish to have to make. That was the warning both Tyrion and Jon Snow gave to her about their power. Yes, you can use them and destroy and maim and win, but at what cost? Tyrion was right, she still had the massive advantage and could easily win, but she reacted in revenge and scorched the earth. A dangerous path that both Tyrion and Jon wish to not see.
So, I hope, expect to see Dany come to realization that she needs to tamper back her desire to use her babies until the real battle begins with the dead. I don't expect the dragons to be unleashed again until the final battles for Westeros and against the Dead White Walkers. If she marches them straight to the red keep they will burn the country to the ground.
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Posted on 8/5/17 at 1:25 pm to reo45
Posted on 8/5/17 at 1:35 pm to THRILLHO
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1.) Dany and Drogon pop up out of thing air. Slow it down when you watch it. The just appear
I thought so, too, when I first saw it. But upon further re-watch, I believe they pop out of some low hanging clouds in the background. This will be more evident when we see it in HD tomorrow night.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 1:38 pm to reo45
I agree with the intention of your post, the Arthurian question of might vs. Right. Dragons are nukes in most regards, in fact there were theories that the long winters were likened to nuclear winters somehow caused by the enormous amounts of ash created by dragon warfare...I don't prescribe to it myself, I think it more likely a wobble in the axis of the planet causing a variable tilt toward their sun, but that's not the point...but, I think what Jon and Tyrion were talking about Dany did take to heart in that She will not use them vs. KL or any other cities where innocent causualies amass.
On the other hand, an army of a dissident in open rebellion...
they're meat for the beast.
On the other hand, an army of a dissident in open rebellion...
they're meat for the beast.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 1:42 pm to 1BamaRTR
That truly is an incredible piece of art. After you see the episode and see this painting it hits home.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 1:43 pm to 19
Or the Winters might be caused by magic. Especially the really long winters like the previous Long Night and current one.
The first Long Night happened before the rise of the Valyrians (and their dragons).
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vs. Right. Dragons are nukes in most regards, in fact there were theories that the long winters were likened to nuclear winters somehow caused by the enormous amounts of ash created by dragon warfare
The first Long Night happened before the rise of the Valyrians (and their dragons).
Posted on 8/5/17 at 1:48 pm to 19
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I agree with the intention of your post, the Arthurian question of might vs. Right. Dragons are nukes in most regards, in fact there were theories that the long winters were likened to nuclear winters somehow caused by the enormous amounts of ash created by dragon warfare...I don't prescribe to it myself, I think it more likely a wobble in the axis of the planet causing a variable tilt toward their sun, but that's not the point...but, I think what Jon and Tyrion were talking about Dany did take to heart in that She will not use them vs. KL or any other cities where innocent causualies amass.
I also expect this to be the case. But, knowing GofT and knowing Cersei I fully expect a situation to arise where dany will be forced to make a decision she never wishes to have to make involving her dragons. Cersei can't win (or Euron) in a conventional warfare set-up, but through cunning and ruthlessness. If a dragon were to die it would be in that manner.
I think we ought to enjoy such an episode because word will get out quickly as to the destruction and power that was displayed and people will be scared of a queen who wishes them nothing but freedom (or so she claims). We will likely see one last sequence at sea against Euron and then it will be about who Jon Snow truly is--and so on--to find the last two riders against the Night King in Season 8. Just my opinion of course.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 1:49 pm to reo45
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hat was the warning both Tyrion and Jon Snow gave to her about their power. Yes, you can use them and destroy and maim and win, but at what cost? Tyrion was right, she still had the massive advantage and could easily win, but she reacted in revenge and scorched the earth. A dangerous path that both Tyrion and Jon wish to not see
I guess, but this was strictly against a military target. It wasn't a city full of people. It was one army vs another army (with air power) in an open field.
It may have been brutal, but it was smart. She found a way to use the power of her dragons without killing countless civilians: by finding an enemy army out and exposed.
Same when she unleashed the dragons against the Master's ships.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 1:54 pm to 1BamaRTR
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The first Long Night happened before the rise of the Valyrians (and their dragons).
It could be something as simple as magic, I concede that, but in the text Sam discovers that time frames in the histories make no sense, and that the authors basically made up time periods that conflict and contradict each other...and what one character considers absolute truth-like the fact you stated above-in the books is many times contradicted by another...it's Martin's way of creating unanswerable questions...pretty clever way to avoid blame for inconsistencies he may be accused of.
Lazy, maybe.
Fat, absolutely.
But that is one smart MFer...he demonstrates examples of simple genius at times that are beyond impressive. And make his work so popular.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 1:59 pm to 19
Just watched it. Holy shite 
Wonder Jamie and Bronn are taking captive or what. Kinda hope he meets up with Tyrion in the next episode
Wonder Jamie and Bronn are taking captive or what. Kinda hope he meets up with Tyrion in the next episode
Posted on 8/5/17 at 2:05 pm to theGarnetWay
Baby steps my friend. That is the worry. They knew she wasn't going to burn down cities....yet... It was the progression of power, a warning against going too far.
I understood exactly what I saw, but I also understood exactly what Tyrion and Jon are trying to relay to Dany. Don't go too far and become what you hate. She heeded their call, but still Tyrion was mortified like at no time I have ever seen him in the series outside what happened with his love and his father.
I understood exactly what I saw, but I also understood exactly what Tyrion and Jon are trying to relay to Dany. Don't go too far and become what you hate. She heeded their call, but still Tyrion was mortified like at no time I have ever seen him in the series outside what happened with his love and his father.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 2:15 pm to fightingtigers98
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Wonder Jamie and Bronn are taking captive or what. Kinda hope he meets up with Tyrion in the next episode
When Tyrion and he meet up I expect Jamie to have a more forgiving heart now knowing his brother had zero to do with his son's death. Seeing that Tyrion has been a man of honor for so long being nothing of a warrior as himself and truthful will make an impact on his redemptive journey. Jamie will turn against Cersei and Bron also. I expect Jamie to return to Dragonstone possibly and Jon Snow will preach to him about the Night King and the real threat that poses beyond the wall. At least I hope that is how it goes down. They need EVERYONE on board to beat the White Walkers. So, since they didn't kill off Bron or Jamie, I see no sense and keeping them around to be on team Cersei but rather for a larger role to play in the future. Jamie's redemptive story coming full-circle.
I also hope that Jon mentions Brienne and her role. Jamie needs to see the light as he is attracted to it, but stuck in love with a complete fraud.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 2:18 pm to reo45
Yeah, I am hoping that Dany offers him the Black and he takes her up on that. Bronn can be bought off at least.
But just imagine this dream team at the Battle for the Wall:
Jon Snow
The Hound
Jaime Lannister
Bronn
Tormund Giantsbane
Thoros of Myr
Beric Dondarrion
Gendry
That would be awesome.
But just imagine this dream team at the Battle for the Wall:
Jon Snow
The Hound
Jaime Lannister
Bronn
Tormund Giantsbane
Thoros of Myr
Beric Dondarrion
Gendry
That would be awesome.
This post was edited on 8/5/17 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 8/5/17 at 2:42 pm to OMLandshark
They will need every last man for what I understand of the Night King and his military. Also, I do believe an ICE dragon will happen. It is a logical conclusion. Jon Snow will lead them all after they find out who he is.
Another conundrum arises when we find out Jon Snow is Dany's nephew. They need some kids to continue the bloodline. I think Sir Davos hinted at Jon's eyes being on Dany in the last episode to leave that open. All coming full circle indeed.
Bran will play a major part in the end also along with Arya. Everyone will have a role against the real enemy.
Another conundrum arises when we find out Jon Snow is Dany's nephew. They need some kids to continue the bloodline. I think Sir Davos hinted at Jon's eyes being on Dany in the last episode to leave that open. All coming full circle indeed.
Bran will play a major part in the end also along with Arya. Everyone will have a role against the real enemy.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 2:47 pm to fightingtigers98
I downloaded it from pb
Posted on 8/5/17 at 2:49 pm to MontyFranklyn
Vimeo
Posted on 8/5/17 at 2:53 pm to reo45
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but still Tyrion was mortified like at no time I have ever seen him in the series outside what happened with his love and his father.
I think part of that was seeing the Lannister army get destroyed... regardless of how it happened. As cruel as his father and sister were towards him I think he still carried a bit of pride in being a Lannister.
It's one thing to plot the overthrow of your own family and discuss battle plans for destroying its forces. Its quite another to actually see what that looks like on the field. The lion sigil he wore all his life suddenly up in flames en masse would probably be a shock to the senses.
Just my two cents.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 3:18 pm to reo45
I loved the progression of Sansa's realization that Arya is a stone cold killer. When Arya first mentioned her list in the crypts, Sansa laughed it off thinking she was joking. Then when Bran mentioned her list, Sansa probably was like "wait, she seriously has a murder list?". But she didn't know she has the skill to actually act on her list. But when she watched Arya take on Brienne like a ninja (Littlefinger and Sansa just had a conversation an episode or two back about how much of a badass Brienne is), she knows now that Arya is, at the very least, a very dangerous person who has a freaking hit list. The look Sansa had on her face while Arya & Brienne were sparing turned quickly to one of worry, and possibly fear.
And while Sansa was looking on in worry and/or fear, Littlefinger looked like he was already scheming on how he either might be able to weaponize Arya for his own devices, or on how he can eliminate her as a threat. But that prolonged look between Littlefinger and Arya at the end of that scene, with Littlefinger smiling and Arya with the dead stare, wasn't by accident.
And while Sansa was looking on in worry and/or fear, Littlefinger looked like he was already scheming on how he either might be able to weaponize Arya for his own devices, or on how he can eliminate her as a threat. But that prolonged look between Littlefinger and Arya at the end of that scene, with Littlefinger smiling and Arya with the dead stare, wasn't by accident.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 3:20 pm to Bamatab
Sansa probably also realizing how she is the only normal one among her siblings.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 3:37 pm to Bamatab
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I loved the progression of Sansa's realization that Arya is a stone cold killer. When Arya first mentioned her list in the crypts, Sansa laughed it off thinking she was joking. Then when Bran mentioned her list, Sansa probably was like "wait, she seriously has a murder list?". But she didn't know she has the skill to actually act on her list. But when she watched Arya take on Brienne like a ninja (Littlefinger and Sansa just had a conversation an episode or two back about how much of a badass Brienne is), she knows now that Arya is, at the very least, a very dangerous person who has a freaking hit list. The look Sansa had on her face while Arya & Brienne were sparing turned quickly to one of worry, and possibly fear.
And while Sansa was looking on in worry and/or fear, Littlefinger looked like he was already scheming on how he either might be able to weaponize Arya for his own devices, or on how he can eliminate her as a threat. But that prolonged look between Littlefinger and Arya at the end of that scene, with Littlefinger smiling and Arya with the dead stare, wasn't by accident.
Couldn't have put it any better than you just did.
Now, I must relent that I have no idea how that story-line might end. I do realize that all this began with John Aryn's death by the hands of both the Lannisters and Little Finger from what I can gather after rewatching the first season last week. He has an ultimate goal and there are still so many players at play. We have Dany the Conqueror; Jon Snow the redeemer (just my two cents there); Cersei the fraud (another two cents: makes four cents); with Little Finger, Sansa, Arya, Bran, Brienne, Jamie, Tyrion, and Sir Davos all still with roles to play; Oh, and the Hound. A lot to bring together in 10 more episodes I would presume. Maybe even Gendry playing a role himself. I forgot about Sam. Shoot Sam may end up the last man standing for the throne! He sure has been through a lot and conquered a lot himself.
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