re: GoT S7 E4 "The Spoils of War" MAESTERS Thread

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Speaking of the Hound and Beric, they've been trudging north for so damn long they should be in the Land of Always Winter by now. I'm ready to see the scene when Beric lights up his sword, maybe it's at Eastwatch.

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At first I thought maybe Arya and the Hound would reunite, but when he saw the vision in the flames, it seemed pretty clear that they would go to Eastwatch.

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Dragons in this series don't have a set gender. They transfer from one to the other.

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So progressive. So brave.

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

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Battle in last episode required more precision, dragons randomly blasting shite on the field could cut her Dothraki horde in half. I think the dragons are smart, but not THAT smart, and you'd need a rider to properly aim them.


Dany's aim sucks then as she also torched all the food.

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She didn't torch ALL the food. Think about things logistically, and within a reasonable timeline.

The Lannisters abandoned Casterly Rock, taking their food and provisions with them. That means that this stuff is already packed up and ready to go. It would be a large amount, as it would have been enough to last Casterly Rock through the winter. In other words, a pretty good sized caravan's worth of foodstuff.

The Lannisters marched on Highgarden and defeated the Tyrells. They did this in order to gain control of the Reach's larger food supply.

Upon leaving, Jaime told Bronn and Tarly to expedite the further gathering of the Reach's foods. But although they need the food eventually for the coming winter, they needed the Tyrell gold immediately to pay off the Iron Bank.

When the Dothraki hit, they had just finished delivering all the gold to King's Landing. So the gold wasn't hit.

Dany scorched a bunch of wagons with food, around where the army was camped. I'm going to say that was the remainder of the Lannister provisions from Casterly Rock.

I'm guessing the majority of the food from the Reach is still being gathered and packed, or just underway. You don't need a full army to gather and transport this, just a couple squads of soldiers to enforce to the locals who is in charge now. There's no need to wait on things to get packed up either, as regardless of the outcome of the fight we saw, the Lannister army was always intended to be at King's Landing to fight the invading forces.

There's talk of stragglers outside the distance required to join a battle. Can't help but think that wagons would be at least at the rear of the men, possibly behind them. I figure there's a pretty long caravan of goods strung out along the road, untouched.

90 pages of:

What did Tyrion say?
Who knocked Jamie off his horse?
Just how good is Arya at swordfighting?
Can Dany's army teleport?
Did the gold make it before getting torched?

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So in other words, you haven't read very many of the 90 pages

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Actually I have. Started the night of the episode and slowly waded through it.

Bad example! The British had the high ground and artillery and Napoleon was arrogant.

Field of Fire 2.0 was Calvary vs Infantry in the open field. There would be no contest.

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Jaime's Worst Fear

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Great video

I know Jaime and Bronn slip away, likely with Tyrion's help; but damn, I wish Jaime would be present when Dany gives her speech to the conquered troops. I'd love for him to throw this back at her, and ask why she's not to be considered the Mad Queen at this point.

I don't honestly think the actress is skilled enough to engage in that scene, and try to answer him. Or if she is, they've been greatly mis-using her

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Surely Varys would know who's next in command, and who to approach
Right, but I really do think Varys might be a traitor. He surely isn't on Dany's side in the books, and him sending messages to KL so Euron could psychically find the Dornish ships and Jaime could know ahead of time (and set Euron up for) that they were attacking CR.

I don't know if they'll have Blackfyres in this show, but Varys has already said that he hates magic, and his character is a Blackfyre loyalist (theoretically) in the books.

Just don't try to get me banned if it turns out to be true.

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I don't trust Varys either, but he's in Dany's Small Council. He was the one who brought both the Tyrells and the Dornish into her camp.

At this point, T don't understand why he's still present, if not to try to salvage those alliances. Intel and communications, maybe? But she's not getting good intel at all, and even she should figure that out. And there has to be other sources of ravens.

Back to Dorne- Olenna had time to get from Dragonstone to Highgarden, before the Lannisters arrived. That took awhile. It wasn't very long after Euron took out Yara and the Sand Snakes, that they found out. Varys could have at least been sent to re-secure that alliance (whether or not he would have done so) at that point.
By the time the Lannisters are attacking Highgarden, he should be in Dorne, and by the time the Lannisters are able to bring the gold back to KL the Dornish could be on the march to the Reach. By the events of next episode they, in theory, could be joining with the Unsullied, who should have been tracing the same path the Lannisters took. Out of provisions? Ok a couple hard marches with tight belts to your known allies, and then when it seems like that was in vain, they could meet with the other known allies. At the very least, the Unsullied would have come upon yet another empty castle, this one with a countryside that has been ransacked by the Lannisters and are being drained of their resources. With any good Tyrell contacts (looking at Olenna and Varys for this) in the Unsullied group, they could be the backbone to a Tyrell uprising against the Lannisters.

Instead, I guess the Unsullied are just going to sit in Casterly Rock until they starve. WTF. That move still makes little to no strategic sense.

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I thought it was a Targ thing, once fled to Dragonstone to avoid the Doom.

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No, in Valyrian custom the eldest son usually married the eldest daughter.